FEDIT POLITICS Thread

Like the great KARMAK, I predict a presidential pardon on the horizon...if it happens before January 2017.
Which it won't.
She'll never go to jail, TB...the best thing that we can hope for is that we don't have to look at her demonic, grotesque face or listen to her even more unpleasant, truly horrible voice. We see/ hear very little of her.
But I believe she never sees prison...like the desperate criminal Martha Stewart did.
In fact IF anything does come of it, and someone does do time (doubtful), it will be someone else who does it.

 

We all have our biases but on certain things we unite (Go Dodgers!) such as recognizing that both Trump and Clinton are felons who should be locked up and especially NOT President. For anyone under the age of 40 please note that we more grizzled DSP vets are telling it like it is. We don't have good choices this time, perhaps mostly because of Citizens United permitting unlimited corporate funds to flood our elections. When money runs the show you permit rich liars like Trump and Clinton to escape punishments that we'd all have to pay.

However this is not the 60's (which youngsters don't recall anything of except for far fetched stories) and thus the edict of "Tune in, Turn on and Drop out" is no longer a serviceable mantra. As much as we detest both Trump and Clinton the worse choice is to Drop Out and do nothing.

I get that Rube, and now foreigner Craig, would say don't bother to vote choosing instead to embrace chaos rather than attempt to be heard by voting. Do not listen to these myopic fools.

Rube makes admirable points but how many apartment or home dwellers can come close to feeding themselves on their own land? 0.0001% maybe? Maybe less.

Craig evidently will continue to suffer from too much book learning as he moves out of the USA into 'some better country'. Yeah good luck there too. We'll check back Wednesday to learn where he moved since he refuses to use rational logic to better the USA and instead insists on some pollyanna view that the grass is greener in some other place. Good luck buddy

BZ is old. OK older than even me, and most of us on DSP, LOL. But old people have seen other things, know other things. It takes courage to listen and learn when the subject is unpopular.

Now @LAdiablo is going to kick my ass and point out that I too was not always so rational in my youth (mostly because its true) but even he has accumulated enough solar laps to be disgusted by what we see money doing to our political landscape. Not to get all kumbayah but if you DON'T vote then you can't bkitch about the results as YOU are part of the problem. :soapbox:

 

Trump is a felon?
What did i miss?
I know for sure he doesn't stand accused of violating the public trust and stealing in the name of charity

 

IRS Tax Code Title 26 USC 7201 states "Any person who willfully attempts to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony"

However I admit that we (the fully corrupt gubberment) ignore this statute if you're rich enough or well enough connected but...

 

oh yeah i'm sure you've never avoided a tax or used a loophole to avoid them
using this to toss trump into the same type of felon as pillory is LAUGHABLE
he used what was available to him and if it was convictable he would have a record nigga please

 

I get loopholes.. I also get that they are almost solely for use by the wealthy, individuals and corporations and, since I'm not wearing Trump blinders, I also know that he's been defending and appealing tax evasion charges for over a decade.

No one said his felonies are in the same type category as Clinton. They're not.

I merely indicated that if EITHER were less rich and powerful they'd both be convicted of felonies. Neither one is clean, nor close to it.

You get all the legal defense THAT YOU CAN PAY FOR.


Come at me man, come at me... Nigga please. LOL

 

that doesn't make trump a felon since the laws or loopholes are there to be taken advantage of and anyone in that position does it
you are a felon by that description since i'm pretty fucking sure you avoided paying taxes you didn't have to
thats just a tad bit different than a woman taking quid pro quo, lying under oath and breaching the national security without giving a shit
she IS a felon by every definition although as you and others say, likely untouchable
a career politician selling everything she can to become ridiculously wealthy
vs. a ugly businessman that works the system within the rules
not even close

 

I'm old, I listened, don't think you're irrational or pollyana...a little myopic, but have glasses.
Good post, Craig.

 

Right direction? Wow Mike. What circles?

 

Better than a woman driver

 

@craig,


Wow, did a bit of truth fester under your skin or what? We’ve always been cordial and therefore it is my sincere intent to keep the tone of this as level as possible. The best thing for each of us is to be open minded and truthful. I listened and replied in earnest. If you don’t want to play that way then say so, I’ll remain level.

You intend to defend checking out and not voting as anything other than giving up? So give up. This is America, you’re allowed to give up. Of course you don't get to complain that the "State" made you do it. It is your free will to make the choice to not vote and remain silent. Of course I'm inviting another screed about how there is no such thing as free will either then aren't I?

I see voting as something simply not available in many countries, zero of which are better than the freedom of the USA. You want to argue? Use facts. Answer the question plainly and name one. Name a single country without voting rights that is better to live in than the USA. I’ll wait. …

The vast majority of things you just ranted about the USA are true, and in no way am I trying to defend them. I’m trying to defend the process of freedom to govern ourselves. You want to not vote? Fine. Then be silent as that is identical to not voting. Voting is speaking. Not voting is silence. This isn’t calculus. Not voting and them yammering about the state of affairs is deceit. Pick one.

Ancient axiom = Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. You still follow?

Ancient axiom = Money is power. Still with me? Or not?

Our government is as corrupt as you suggest, perhaps more so, upon that we agree. I state that the absolute power of money is the single largest corrupting factor in that fully corrupt political arena. Find facts to argue that. I’ll wait. Of course none exist so I guess I’ll be waiting awhile.

I think that our government is far too large and the larger it gets the worse it is for all of us. Who among us want to grow it larger by allowing it to consume more of every dollar we earn? Not I. You calling me a statist shows the depth of your ignorance. Is it your intent to overthrow the system? Or change it? Your claim that I’m against greater education digs that hole deeper. Trying to argue that my thoughts represent any form of Keynesian economic theory illustrate that you intend to dig deeper still. Calling my rational arguments pedantic while in the same breath extolling Keynesian virtues is duplicitous. What are you trying to prove? That no one can follow along with your justification of why you’re giving up? Who cares why you gave up? Don’t vote. It simply proves my point.

What does my voting have to do with your gripes about over taxation? BTW they are my gripes too, except that by you not participating you enforce your own silence. I vote to complain about this over taxation whereas your silence acquiesces to it. Thus your choice is to have no control over your future. I listened to you. Your eyesight remains deplorable. Can you read the top letter yet?

Finally, your weak sauce attempting to defend dropping out helps who? Certainly not yourself. Dropping out = no vote = no voice. Not voting carries a distinct message alright, that message being that your opinion doesn’t matter, as it wasn’t worth expressing. If you have nothing to say then say nothing. If you want to argue with me then you’re speaking and that cannot be done without voting.

My voice cannot be shut down. I will be heard. So really, don’t vote, I’ll look forward to your self imposed predefeated silence.


And as long as we’re being truthful, traveling for business is irrelevant and you knew it. I know that you were trying to dodge the question but where will YOU LIVE on Wednesday? In the USA just like you did on Tuesday. All talk and no action. Except at the same time you choose not to speak/vote. Hilarious. Speaking out both sides of your mouth type of hilarious. And you question being called out as irrational? How much more proof must you provide us? Was that glib enough for you?

You claim that it's so much better somewhere else? Name where. Or don't vote and we'll enjoy listening to your silence.

 

BRAVO

 

Looks like Hillary has opened up a lead again...more Obolife on deck. Eigjt maybe...at least four.
The US being led by a flat out criminal...already established she lied under oath, just like her ghoulish mate.
Wow...
As far as voting...it's an individual's right to vote. If that individual chooses not to exercise that right, that is absolutely fine.
I think people, some, get right and duty mixed up...it was my duty to go into the service when called. Not to go to Canada or wherever, to serve. So I did. But if I didn't, I would have paid the price, for sure.
But nobody will arrest me if I don't vote.
But there will be a punishment for everyone of us.

 

I'm confused is this real? Oh Kellyanne what are you smoking? Really comparing 2 singers to a leader who has jailed dissidents for no reason, wow.

 

Putin campaigning for Trump is seen (by Republican operatives of course) as "very very smart". Is anyone surprised?

Russia is known for suppression of all sorts. I'm sure that the lovers of Republican strategist Karl Rove style dirty politics think that this is smart. Underhanded dealers always appreciate other underhanded dealers. Perhaps I missed the smart part.

This would backfire in a big way if only Hillary weren't so corrupt herself. So maybe it will work. And then the USA via Trump will become immensely indebted to Russia. How can anything about that be a good thing?? Sheer Lunacy.

I will state that it was very smart... for Putin. He'll have a US president in his hip pocket for at least four years. What could possibly go wrong?

Who honestly thinks that having the president of the most hostile nation on the planet campaigning on your behalf was a good thing?

The lunatics and deplorables do I guess.