DODGERS The URIBE/CALLASPO Trade Thread

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  1. N.Z

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    The main positive for me is that we were willing to essentially give away an underperforming veteran midseason and we have guy called Seager in the minors.
     
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    and olivera supposedly not far away
     
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    Puig
    Pederson
    Gonzalez
    Kendrick
    Olivera
    Seager
    Ethier/SVS/Guerrero
    Grandal
     
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    Pederson absolutely should hit second. There are several reasons for it, most notably that he doesn't hit the ball in play so he doesn't hit into double plays.

    I recently read an article on mathematical lineup optimization, and the numbers actually suggest your 3 best hitters should hit #1, 2, and 4 - it goes against our conventional thinking, but there are some numbers to suggest Gonzalez should hit 4th instead of 3rd. It feels weird to say, but I would flip Kendrick and Gonzalez like DBB does it.
     
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    Veterans aren't necessarily leaders, pitchers tend to be a different group from position players. Rollins and Kendrick are new. Agon has never seemed to step into that role with LA or Bos and cc has mailed it in since getting paid. I just don't see any of them being that guy in LA. It doesn't mean they should have kept Uribe for that role, it's just what they lost and don't seem to the replacement for
     
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    Breaking down the Braves-Dodgers trade
    by Craig Calcaterra | NBC Hardball Talk — 20 hours ago

    It was on and then off and then back on again and now it’s official: The Braves have traded Alberto Callaspo, Eric Stults, Ian Thomas and Juan Jaime to the Dodgers in exchange for Juan Uribe and Chris Withrow.

    You know Uribe and Callaspo: basically an exchange of veteran infielders who have seen better days, with Uribe costing the Braves about $3.5 million more than Callaspo will cost the Dodgers. In Chris Withrow, the Braves get a potential high-upside reliever, but one who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and back surgery so, um, yeah. He may pitch in the minors this year but is more of a next-year kind of thing.

    As for the Dodgers, they get Stults, who broke in with Los Angeles in 2006, actually. He’s been mostly unimpressive the past three years, but can be a rotation fill-in for a Dodgers team that is down a couple of starters and has a lot of familiarity with the NL West due to his time in San Diego.

    Thomas is a marginal reliever — meaning that he was on the margins of the Braves’ bullpen plans, not that he sucks or anything — who has had good strikeout rates in seven minor league seasons.

    My favorite part of this is Juan Jaime. Not because he’s all that special — he’s been unimpressive in short stints in the bigs and seems to profile more like organizational depth — but because he was originally signed by the Expos back in 2004. And he’s only 27. It’s weird that a 27-year-old could have ties to the Expos, but he was an international signee and they sign young. Also, 2004 only seems like ancient history.

    So, at the end of the day, not too much of significance. For Atlanta, a third baseman who can share time with or maybe supplant Chris Johnson and provide some good mojo and defense in Juan Uribe and an upside arm for the pen in 2016. Roster/infield flexibility for the Dodgers, now that Uribe is gone (my guess is that the Dodgers DFA Callaspo at some point) and some pitching depth the Braves probably weren’t going to use all that much anyway.

    If you insist on declaring a winner or loser to every trade I suppose it’s fair to say the Braves are better as a result of the trade than the Dodgers are, especially if you value the well-liked and well-respected Uribe’s perceived leadership and character bonuses. But really, this is a trade in which two teams needed different things and got them, not a case where a winner or a loser is either clear-cut or really all that relevant.
     
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    friedman on the ^aforementioned juan jaime...

    Dodgers' Friedman on Juan Jaime: 'He can really miss bats'
    by R.J. White | CBSSports.com — 6 hours ago

    Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman spoke Wednesday about pitcher Juan Jaime, who was acquired from the Braves along with three others players in a six-man deal earlier in the day and assigned to extended spring training, MLB.com reports.​

    "He can really miss bats," Friedman said. "The limiting factor with him is the control. So we'll send him to Camelback and really attack the problem. If he can harness that even a little bit, we feel like we've added a really good player."

    Jaime has posted a 5.93 ERA and 19:13 K:BB ratio in 13 2/3 innings with the Braves over two seasons. He has also walked nine batters in 5 1/3 innings in the minors this season after dishing out 36 walks in 41 innings with Triple-A Gwinnett in 2014.​
     
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    I think calling Uribe a "leader" in the Dodger clubhouse is stretching it a bit. Well liked, sure... but our leader?

    I don't know what games you're watching, but from what I can tell Agon has been a team leader for a few years now. When we clinched our division in Arizona he literally led our team to the pool. Agon is the one who got in Molina's face in the playoffs last year. He leads the team on the field day in and day out. I honestly don't know what he was like in Boston, but he is absolutely a leader in L.A.

    I think the other point being made was that our team has a lot of veterans, and not that veterans are necessarily leaders, but that veterans don't need leaders as much.
     
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    That is not even close to true
     
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    That is because he walks all of them.
     
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    LOL

    Hard for bats to hit the ball when it's way out of the strike zone.

    Juan "Juild Thing" Jaime
     
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    Ian Thomas is the one Friedman raved about. Said they're gonna try and make him a starter and that the floor for him is as a good lefty reliever.
     
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    and even if he was " a leader ", where exactly did he lead us?

    i'm more interested in Corey Seager's maturity and curious as to how fast he can become a leader.
     
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    As you wish. Game 3 of the World Series in AL Park...

    RF Puig R
    CF Pederson L
    2B Kendrick R
    1B Gonzalez L
    3B Olivera R
    SS Seager L
    DH Guerrero R
    C Grandal S
    LF Ethier L

    Pitcher: Frias

    We lose 13-12
     
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    Brutal times two.
     
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    Well, one thing you certainly agree with the chief Nerd with is those numbers that Jaime's got...almost jaw-dropping.
     
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    Two points to the entire trade.

    1. Move Uribe.

    2. Attain Ian Thomas.


    He was on the radar this Spring.

    Thomas is the piece they wanted. For what? Who knows? He might be trade bait to include in a package or surplus to replace someone they plan on moving.
     
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    He misses bats..... because he throws it out of the strikezone so frequently.
     
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