2014 HALL OF FAME

ancient addled idiots... all 16 of them.

However the BBWAA is a self (non) policing association.

Those 16 will not only be left in place but will somehow be the ones that the others turn to next season to figure out who to fuck over. It was only the right coast media bias which allowed these guys through at all

 

Gotta disagree Boo, Bags and Biggio go in long before Garvey. Garvey gets into the hall of the very good. It's ok, I know you have a hard on for him.

 

So many sentiments for Schilling but I can't see it. Maybe because he's comes off as an ass that makes me feel that way but I don't see why all the love. Mike Musina had a better career than him and if he's borderline+ than what's Schilling.

 

Good news is Gurnkick says he wont vote for the Hall of Fame ever again.. so there is always that

 

I don't see it. His strike out to walks numbers were nice and his postseason numbers were incredible but Mike Mussina was much better. I even have a post scheduled on my blog tomorrow explaining that Mussina was better than Glavine, just lacked the longevity. Lacked the longevity because he went out on top and on his own terms, didnt stretch it out searching for 300 wins.

 

Biggio gets screwed again. The voters should only be MLB HOF players, managers and executives. Writers are fucking hacks serving their own agendas.

 

Pete Rose should be in the hall. He fucked up but it's not like the Black Sox scandal. He bet on his team to win.

 

I wouldn't have voted for biggio, glavine or Thomas first ballot. How can people say I won't vote for steroid users from that era and then vote Thomas in first ballot? Sounds hypocritical. I know Thomas was never implicated but he played in that era, was injury prone which are usually the signs.

In fact I wouldn't consider Biggio a HOF at all. Just my opinion.

 

Injury prone late in his career which is usually the case when guys stop using I meant.

 

If you start speculating on who might have used steroids, it opens a whole can of worms. It's not far fetched to think Biggio and Glavine used too - Biggio had a 20 year career where he played 140+ games in almost every one of them, and Glavine also played for 20 years pitching close to 200 innings in every season. Those health track records are almost too good.

When I think of Glavine I think of someone who was the #3 option on his team most seasons... A damn good #3, but a 3 nonetheless. And that diminishes his Hall worthiness IMO.

I can't think of Biggio without picturing that huge elbow pad he would wear. Not that I enjoy batting against guys throwing 95mph with nasty movement, but there's also no shame in dodging a ball now and then instead of standing there and "taking it like a man". His season to season numbers are good, but nothing incredible. But if he ever gets in, he should have an * for that damn elbow pad (Barry Bonds too).

 

I didn't catch Biggio until his last few years ('04-'07), but I never remember hearing any announcers (Vin included) talk about how this guy was going to be a Hall of Famer. Besides the 3000 hits, there's really not that many shiny things in his stats.

 

Totally agree with you on Glavine, he was never an Ace along the lines of Smoltz, Maddux or Kershaw. How did he make it over Mussina who was a clear cut No. 1 for a large part of his career. Hell you could even argue David Cone was a better pitcher than Glavine!

When I think of the Astros teams of Biggio's era, I think if Bagwell. So he falls in that same category as Glavine was never the guy. Is that hall worthy?

 

I would have voted for:
Bonds
Clemens
Maddux
Thomas
Glavine
Biggio
Bagwell
Piazza
Raines
Martinez

Trammel would be next.

 

I'm a fan of Biggio. Maybe he wasn't remarkable, but he was very good over a long period of time. Here are some of his career totals and place on the all time list.

Games Played 2,850 (16th)
At Bats 10,876 (12th)
PA 12,504 (10th)
RS 1,844 (15th)
HITS 3,060 (21st)
TB 4,711 (33rd)
DB 668 (5th)
BB 1,160 (65th)
Singles 2,046 (39th)
EBH 1,014 (32nd)
Times on base 4,505 (18th)
HBP 285 (2nd)

Like I said, he had to pretty good for a long time to reach those totals. The 5th place all time in doubles is the most impressive to me, that speaks to his combination of speed and power. I understand the people who think he isn't worthy, but I'd vote for him.