DODGERS 2020 MINOR LEAGUE/PROSPECTS THREAD

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  1. Gebbeth

    Gebbeth DSP Legend

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    Would you say a 5% bump would have meant 1 more win against the Astros in the WS.

    One more HR. One more out. One more strike in the bottom of the 8th.

    I would like to think that’s a 5 % bump.
     
  2. Finski

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    Life isn't fair. Fair? We aren't toddlers anymore, man. Who uses 'no fair' after getting his pubes anyway, man?

    Ultimate example of 'NOT FAIR' - Jesus never hurt anybody, but He got nailed to a cross after they beat the fuck out of Him. That's not fair. Anything short of that level of relevance is moot to me. I've been 'bleeding Blue' since 1971. But the last decade plus, the blood is coming out of my ass after the prison rape I've gotten from lying bitches like McCourt & Guggenheim. They don't need apologists; they need a comeuppance.

    Fair is the MOST overrated & childish adjective there is. Astros cheated and won - not fair but WGAF? They'll keep the ring anyway. Dodgers signed Pollock and he gobbled more cock in October than Traci Lords before she turned 18 - not fair, but WGAF? That's baseball. Roberts is a better manager than Davey Martinez, with a win % of .605 to .540 - not fair, but WGAF? Losers walk & winners laugh and Roberts, Pollock, Kasten, and this whole fucking bunch of preening bitches are losers - until they aren't.

    I'm sick & tired of excuses, minor league projections, WAR stats, PECOTA, BABIP, & whatever other data some twat in his mother's basement says will make a team a winner.

    This team is a loser. I'll never take that back unless they make me a liar. Until then, I'll be over here in DodgerFan cellblock H, sleeping ass-to-the-wall before I shower anywhere near Kasten, Friedman, Magic, Billie Jean, or any other Dodger exec with a cock.
     
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    Part of my angst is that I’ve been a Dodger fan since I was a baby. 49 years I’ve been watching this team. The heartbreaks of the 70’s and since ‘88.

    I’ve seen 2 WS wins, in ‘81 and ‘88. Since then....graveyards.

    The watch and wait for “growth” arguments from the FO has worn thin....we’re basically down to the bones....no more flesh or skin left to rub off.

    If your timeframe is another 32 years, well I ain’t got that kinda a time left, and I don’t want to be some shmuck deadman in the grave with my now 40 year old kids pouring beer on my tombstone after the first Dodger WS win since.....well who know when “since”. I ain’t about to go pathetic Red Sox during the curse years (oh yeah, they’ve won 4 since and the Gnats 3 and the Cubs 1).

    Again, striking while the iron is hot is a strategy.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    the porn/homo/sodomy sub references alone make this post an instant classic

    :poty:
     
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  5. No Name

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    We are not debating over who gets the pop tart with more frosting. Unreasonable would have been a better word in this case.

    I'm sorry that you are painting your tighty whities red due to your Dodger credit card getting repeatedly swiped and subsequently declined by your asshole. That doesn't mean that going all in provides a better chance of victory. It simply provides a different path. One with a deadline.
     
  6. Finski

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    I have nothing against you personally, NoName. But you are defending an porous, lying, duplicitous administration. You may be a great fan, but you do yourself no favors here by defending these twats.

    As for my ass, whatever. I've earned my churlish take on Dodgerdom. Your rejoinder reflects that I hurt your feelings moreso than you captured my essence. I'm sorry if I wounded you.

    Take care.
     
  7. No Name

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    I'm simply matching the tone my friend. My feelings were amputated long ago so no need to worry about dancing. I enjoy the dialogue.

    I'm a numbers guy. I am a plan guy. I'm not the typical fanatic. I wish I was. I enjoy the process of building. I'm sure my employees or my past wives would probably say the same things about me as you think about Guggs. Haha. 3 marriages by age 35.
     
  8. Fall Winslow

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    And that's really all there is to it. For all the talk of young, cheap labor being valuable..it's true..until October. That's when young, cost controlled players generally fall on their ass. Every once in a while, a generational prodigy like 21 year old Miggy Cabrera, or 20 year old Juan Soto will come along, and they'll exhibit championship caliber savvy in OCT with the weight of the world on their shoulders. It's rare, to say the least. Can't fool ourselves into thinking that " young, cheap, valuable " is the best route for the current phase of this LAD rebuild. Safe to say we're not as lucky when new orgs like the Marlins and Nats pop up and deploy underaged beasts that motor them to WS titles, while we stare at a 30+ year title drought. With the way Bryce Harper performed against Nats' pitching this past season, and given his extensive knowledge of that Nats' team, if LAD just signs Harper instead of Pollock, that 5% is more than likely represented and LAD gets back to the WS last year and this year. Guy raked against Stras and basically every other starting arm on the Nats' staff.

    Where the Dodgers are now, in regards to the rebuild of this team after McCourt ran the org into the ground.." all in " isn't just a different path. It's the correct path. Should be the only path. The farm's been rebuilt, the luxury tax reset, the international scouting presences reignited, etc. There should be 2 goals at this point. Get the games on TV for all of LA (colossal shame) and make power moves to win the WS.
     
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    This.
     
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    this is, without a doubt, one of the greatest posts i've ever read
     
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    Gotta be one of the saddest. I feel like Guggs had every reason to keep Seager, Belli, Urias and Buehler while they were spending a silly amount in luxury tax and still trying to establish their homegrown base and developmental system. And where the farm was under McCourt, also easy to see why they chose to spread a solid amount of money around to mediocre guys like McCarthy and Kazmir..trying to buy depth and make up for the lack of solid support options on the farm. All reasonable, IMO. But yeah, we're past that now.

    Can't really blame Cleveland for wanting Lux either. Accepting anything less than Lux would be yet another example of why the Indians' WS title drought is @ 70 years. We complain about our 30+ year title drought, but imagine 70. Lol Bowden said it in November - Cleveland is not doing this deal without Lux. So Guggs either unhands Lux or they take on Price to get Betts. Cubs and ROX aren't gonna assist by sending Bryant or Arenado, so it's pretty simple. Actually, they really should do both. Pull the trigger and add Betts/Price using Gonsolin/Taylor/Pollock and $$$, and then circle back to CLE and add Lindor/Clevinger for Lux/May
     
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  13. ColoradoKidWitGame

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    BA dropped their Dodgers Top 10 today. After the top 2, things start mixing up compared to be BP, with a new name entering the mix at #10. Here are some notes:
    • They think Lux has the upside of a .300+ hitter with 20+ HR pop. He has plus speed that he does not use as often as he could, but it has remained even as he has bulked up. They think he is a #2 hitter with AS upside. His defense will be his biggest question mark going forward, but he has improved.
    • May has developed his sinker into a true plus-plus pitch. In MiLB he was sitting with it in the 95-99 range with insane bite. His cutter is another strong weapon and his ability to manipulate and control his best pitches is strong. His power curve is average and his change is fringe-average, but both have potential to be more when he commands them better. They see him has a true #2 behind Buehler.
    • Hey hey, a positive review of Ruiz! Apparently the Dodgers are working with him to be more aggressive earlier in the count as he tends to watch too many good pitches before making weaker contact with tough pitches. He seemed to be doing that before he got hurt. His defense is slowly improving, but they say he is "still far ahead of most catchers his age." He will need to improve his accuracy, but the defense is trending in the right direction.
    • They also have Gonsolin with a ++ offering in his split change. They feel his curve is above average and his slider is merely average with a fastball playing at + when it is working in the mid to upper 90's. The biggest thing for him going forward will be whether or not his command can come together. If it does, he's a starter, otherwise he is a high leverage reliever.
    • Gray doesn't have the repertoire of the 2 pitchers ahead of him, but his competitiveness once again get high marks. The rate his FB as + due to life since the velo is in the solid category. His slider is above average with late bite and a change that is rate at average. He keeps his velo and command late into games and he pounds the zone. Based on his attitude and work ethic, it would not be shocking to see this guy continue to improve.
    • They see Downs as multi-positional asset much like Josh Harrison in his prime. Downs continues to show improvement with the bat and he can handle good pitching. His biggest problem at the dish is a tendency to take AB's off and if he wants to be come something more, he will have to drop that this upcoming season. His defense can hold it's own at any IF position, but his range is pretty weak to be an everyday SS.
    • Cartaya gets rave reviews in his appearance on their Top 10. They say many scouts see him as already being big league ready behind the plate now with above average receiving skills and an above average to plus arm. They think as he matures he will hit for both average and power to boot. Since he is only 18, there is still a lot that could happen, but they gave him a star player ceiling.
    • Unlike the BP write up, BA is much more positive about Hoese. They think he should hit for both average and power in the bigs as he punishes balls that get too much of the zone. He also does not expand the zone making it so teams have to really pitch to him to get him out. Defense has been a question mark from other folks, but BA thinks he will be at least average at 3B and could be more than that.
    • Busch is more of a work in progress. They signed him for his two elite skills, one being his hit tool and the other being his work ethic. They felt due to the second one, the rest would improve. Scouts felt he had the best bat in the draft, but he lacked the power for it to play well. The Dodgers think they can fix that and have begun working on him getting more leverage out of his swing. Defense will probably come with a lot growing pains, but if it clicks, he could be a very good player.
    • Since this is on the heals of their Int'l write up, not much of anything new here on Rodriguez, compared to what I wrote up on page 1.

    They are really positive on the Dodgers system as their Top 10 consisted of 4- 60 grade prospects, 5- 55 grades and the lone 50 being Gonsolin as he is older and his command is holding him back. They feel that after May, Lux and Gonsolin graduate this year, the system will still be one of the top in baseball with just how deep it is. The org has continued to draft and sign Int'l free agents incredibly well and there seems to be a theme of hard workers + high BB IQ throughout the system that we had lacked in prior years.
     
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    MLB.com selected Diego Cartaya as their breakout candidate for 2020 in our system. This is not really a stretch at all as this is in line with what most people seem to be thinking.
     
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    Judas ... this is amazing.

    I need to fork over some $$$ if only to read your content, man.
     
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    homo?
     
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    great stuff colorado
     
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    From the BA Chat:
    • 6 Dodgers are likely to be in the Top 100, potentially even 7.
    • They said that Lux and May should not be on the table in trades right now as they are viewed as frontline players, but every other prospect should be. I def agree with this.
    • Really positive remarks about INF Devin Mann and they feel he has MLB upside as a corner bat. Compared him to David Freese.
    • He said that RHP Gerardo Carrillo has "huge stuff", but his issue is his control is shit.
    • He is much higher on Gonsolin than anyone else and thinks he still has big stuff ahead of him.
    • He mentioned that C Connor Wong may have MLB upside, but he will have a ton of swing and miss. He will hit for power and play a solid catcher, but not hit for enough average to be an everyday starter.
    • RHP Michael Grove will be a watch candidate this year as he enters the second season away from TJ. His Velo climbed to 92-95, but he was on a strict low pitch count and the velo wavered.
    • OF Andy Pages has big upside, but he's gonna be a slow climber... comparable player, Yasiel Puig. They think he will have a bad 2020 and then bounceback 2021 as he learns how to properly adjust.
    • RHP Ryan Pepiot is likely destined for the pen as he has shown control issues, but the stuff is there for him to take off if he can put that together. Just a reminder, his change up was viewed as one of the best pitches in the draft last year.
    • Downs was very impressive and they feel his major improvement down the stretch was due to him maturing a bit. I mentioned above that he takes AB's off and it seems that he became a bit more focused. He was a monster for Tulsa, but they still feel he is not going to be at the same level as Lux.
    • There is some belief that 1B/3B Miguel Vargas is a star in the making and the Dodgers know this. He has become pretty popular in trade discussions, but the club is not willing to just give him away. His issue going forward will be his defense.
    • RHP Dennis Santana took off once the club moved him to the pen and the sinker was back to being a ++ pitch as he was working it up to 97. This is great news for the club going forward. In a somewhat related matter, this dude really does need to make it to the bigs and start making some money. He seems to have bought himself a Ferrari, which you really shouldn't do until you get a contract that pays you more than $100K a year... he also needs to get himself a good money manager.
    • They think that the club should use Ruiz as a centerpiece in a trade, but that it should be a return for an all star caliber player.
    • OF Jeren Kendall saw improvement, but is still way WAY behind. He should see AA, but there is a long way to go.
    • This was interesting, the Dodgers Hi-A affiliate struck out A TON this year, but it wasn't all awful. It seems that the new part of development is to promote working counts and the Quakes did just that. Games regularly exceed 3.5 hours and a lot of scouts complained about it. This will be interesting to watch play out as it is one thing to work deep counts if you never get anything to hit, but it is something else if you are missing good hittable pitches.
    • They feel that Gray is a safe bet to be a middle of the rotation starter, i.e. 3-4.
    • RHP Jimmy Lewis is someone to watch in the year ahead. Big time upside and if he excels, he should be in top 10. Similar build to May, but a bit a thicker and his velo is ahead of where May was at the same age. With the Dodgers ability to find more velo in guys, he is certainly one to watch.
    • INF Zach McKinstry gets a lot of attention as being the next Chris Taylor/Max Muncy/Matt Beaty type prospect that has come seemingly out of nowhere to look like a potential solid player. He should impact the MLB roster at some point this season. He is not a star, but he could be a decent bench bat.
     
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    Me?

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    "Judas. You betray me with a kiss?" - Jesus
     
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