DODGERS 2020 MINOR LEAGUE/PROSPECTS THREAD

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    BA came out with their Top 14 prospects that could be in for breakout seasons after strong ends of 2019. They split it between 7 pitchers and 7 hitters. Jeter Downs was the #2 hitter and here is what they said.

    Downs was plenty good in the first half at high Class A Rancho Cucamonga but took flight in the second, when he showcased fast hands, great timing and all-fields power. He reached Double-A for 12 games. On the season, Downs totaled 24 home runs and 24 stolen bases to make him one of the game’s premier power-speed prospects.

    One of the writers on twitter added that Edwin Rios impressed enough that we could see him get a more extended look in 2020.
     
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    MLB Pipeline ran a poll from execs, here are the results in regards to Dodgers prospects
    Best hitting prospect
    #2 Gavin Lux 14% of the vote. Wander Franco won this one and that is of no surprise.

    Highest BB IQ
    #T3 Lux 8%

    Best Closer Prospect
    #T3 Dustin May 9%
    Gray also received votes

    Most Overrated
    Keibert Ruiz received votes

    What Prospect will contribute the most in 2020
    #1 Lux 35%


    Lux is widely expected to be the NL Rookie of the Year. Looking at the MLB Top 100, it would make sense as he is the highest rated NL prospect and the closest to him are #4 Gore(year or two still away), #11 Pache(still about a half season away at least) and #14 Rodgers (coming off of an awful debut and shoulder injury). A lot of people are talking about just how good of a hitter Lux is going to be, which makes sense for why he has become so popular.
     
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    interesting
    i had pondered gonsolin as a possible closer
    but may's stuff is electric so...
     
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    I think May has better stuff, but he’s not a starter. He’s not yet a pitcher and can’t go long in my opinion, so the closer role makes sense.
     
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    @ColoradoKidWitGame, didn't may add/improve an offspeed pitch this offseason?
     
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    I don’t think May is a closer YET! He just doesn’t get after guys and goes long in counts. Once he can get ahead early and attack... most definitely can close. You cant have a closer walking guys.

    His arm side run is legit and in short outings, his velo plays up big time. Too damn early to push him into the pen even as a high leverage guy.

    For what it’s worth, he’s the guy i dont want gone in any trade. I truly think hes the real deal and pairing him with Beuler is the future.
     
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    I only want to see May pitch every 5 days. I'm not sure I can handle seeing that orange afro every other day. It really does creep me out.
     
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    Got something against clowns?

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    Willard Scott awaits a response to this rhetorical ...

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    His stuff has always been good, it was just settling down once he got to the bigs. You could tell that he was far too amped in his early starts and could not spot his pitches with the precision he was used to in MiLB. The team never really let him settle down either since he only got 4 starts and he was pretty excellent in them for a rookie 3, 1, 1 and 2 ER in his 4 starts all 5+ is not bad. The location issues are what cost him in the end as the 3rd time through, teams started to tag him. He added the cutter sometime in 2018, I believe and it has come along nicely. The curve and change are coming along, but though they have shown improvement they are still average or below. I feel people that think he will make a good closer are just banking on what they saw down the stretch, cause that shit was lethal. Still, keeping him in the rotation is the better play to see if his secondaries continue to take a step forward, cause if they do he will be one of the better starters in the game.
     
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    I'd much rather see Gonsolin in the role as closer in the near term. His stuff is more pedestrian and he has shown in the past that in a relief role, his FB can get bumped into triple digits. That paired with his ++ split could make for a dynamite closer. My issue with him has been that the FB is too flat and his command is pretty bad, so moving him to the pen where at least he gets a couple more ticks on it would be the better play. The opposite side of that argument is that Gonsolin has only been a full time pitcher for a couple of years and every year he had shown improvement until the injury bug crept up and bit him in 2019. He probably needed some more seasoning in AAA, but the big club needed him. I'd like to see him get an extended start in 2020 at AAA to try to fix some of his command issues, his secondary pitches as well and to see if the oblique injury had sapped some of his power as his velo was lower once he was up compared to anything I had heard prior. Neither guy is ready for a pen role yet, May has the much higher upside to succeed at each, but they both should be kept as starters.

    Also, just for reference. One of the top rated pitching prospects in the game was rated #1 future closer.
     
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    First Top 10 by position from MLB Pipeline just dropped and it is for RHP.
    May is now #6 in baseball according to their chart. He was listed amongst the top of the class with 60 grade control. The highest ceiling was given to Forrest Whitley and the highest floor was Casey Mize, this what they had to say about May when they named the Dodgers prospect the most likely to win ROY "May can rival Whitley's ceiling and Mize's floor, as he has a pair of well above-average pitches in his fastball and cutter (not to mention flashes of a plus curveball) and has pounded the strike zone throughout his pro career. He continued to show the same after reaching the Majors last August and pitched well in the National League Division Series." That is a very awesome thing to hear.

    The list breakdown is
    1. Casey Mize, Tigers
    2. Nate Pearson, Blue Jays
    3. Forrest Whitley, Asterisks
    4. Michael Kopech, White Sox
    5. Sixto Sanchez, Marlins
    6. May
    7. Matt Manning, Tigers
    8. Luis Patino, Padres
    9. Spencer Howard, Phillies
    10. Grayson Rodriguez, Orioles

    Only Patino and Rodriguez are not expected to impact their clubs in 2020, while Kopech and Whitley still have a lot to prove. The Phillies have a desperate need for pitching and Howard should help, but man it could look bad if they are not able to get an extension done for Realmuto and he walks at the end of the season. They could have had Sanchez and Howard, and then done a smart thing like sign Yasmani Grandal last offseason.
     
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    So we are officially less than a month away from Pitchers and Catchers reporting. Unless something crazy and unexpected happens at the last minute, the Dodgers roster is going to be pretty much the same thing we saw last season.... yay. I thought it would be fun to look at some of the prospects to watch in the year ahead that are not some of the more well talked about guys in the system, but have massive upside. I am going to have their rankings next to their name for the different publications. Baseball America (BA) and Baseball Prospectus (BP) are are on 2020, MLB Pipeline (MLB) will be the end of the 2019 farm ranking. These are just some guys to watch and I am not calling for a breakout season by any means and usually the ones with the highest ceilings have the steepest falls.

    3B Miguel Vargas (MLB #16, BA #NA, BP #4)- He is not someone regularly talked about, but within the inner Dodgers prospect hugging community, Vargas is a growing favorite. He is incredibly advanced for his age at the plate and he has shown some signs of the power coming on. If the power comes, he will fly up prospect charts, especially if he can maintain his impressive 15% K rate. Defense is also a part of his game that needs to show improvement for him to be able to stay at 3rd. That makes to big if's in his game for him to be a valuable player, but some scouts think it could happen. If the power does come, then there is less of a requirement for the defense as the bat would play across the diamond, and if both come he is a star hitting 3B.

    C Diego Cartaya (MLB #11, BA #7, BP #7)- I think this will be the most talked about player that will make the list as I am going to skip recent 1st round picks and trade centerpieces. The reason I am including Cartaya is the Int'l guys always have a smaller following than the stateside prospects. While most on this board know him, it is probably not understood of just how good Cartaya is projected to be. He has the upside of a star catcher and like recent C prospect Keibert Ruiz, Cartaya is said to be incredibly advanced for his age at the position. Unlike Ruiz at the same age, Cartaya has at least shown signs that as he fills out, he should be able to hit the ball out of the park more consistently. He is also well ahead of Ruiz in the defense category as he boasts a stronger arm. A best case scenario for the Dodgers is for Cartaya to take off at Great Lakes and Ruiz regains some of his trade value so the club can move him for an impact piece. Most publications feel that of the MANY MLB caliber catchers within the system and on the big league roster, Cartaya will be the best and a solid showing this year should land him high on some top prospect lists.

    RHP Jimmy Lewis (MLB #19, BA #UR, BP #UR)- Not a lot being talked about with this kid, but I am excited to see him. The org shut him down after signing him out of HS as their Comp B pick after the 2nd round of the draft last year. Why am I so excited about him? Well he has a lot in common with another recent Dodgers pitching prospect that has flown up the charts. Standing at 6'6" and now up over 215 lbs, Lewis has the size of a potential workhorse. There are usually growing pains for pitchers at this height as their mechanics tend to be wonky, but Lewis is pretty simple to the plate so any fixes should be easy. While the other tall lanky Dodgers prospect(May) was topping out at 90 when drafted, Lewis was already hitting 95. They found a small labrum tear after drafting him, but they think it is correctable without surgery and if he adds some muscle, he should be in good shape. As of the end of the year, he had already put on 15 lbs and said that the org had really pushed strength training into his daily routine which he has done. Lewis was one of the most projectable HS pitchers in the draft last year and if there is one thing this FO has done a great job of, it is targeting good arms in the draft. Of all the pitchers in the system, he has the highest upside and could be another fast riser with a solid first year in the org.

    OF Luis Rodriguez (MLB #24, BA #10, BP #UR)- If the way the Dodgers handled Cartaya is any indication, we may not get much of a look at Rodriguez this year outside of complex ball. Still, the potential in Rodriguez is immense as he is showing early signs of a potential 5 tool CF'er. At only just 17, Rodriguez has shown an above average all fields approach with the bat, emerging power that he is showing to all fields and a defensive IQ beyond his years in CF. If he can maintain his speed while he gains size as he ages, he should be able to continue to man CF. The Dodgers are one of the more aggressive developmental teams in the game, so there is some potential for him to be brought stateside and challenged immediately. If he remains in the DSL for the season or at least most of the year, expect to see him remain in that 10-25 ranking in the system.

    OF Andy Pages (MLB #UR, BA #UR, BP #UR)- A solid season in Ogden got Pages a ton of attention. While still very much a work in progress, Pages fun-natured attitude and style of play have already garnered comps to Yasiel Puig. He makes loud contact and displays a very similar batting stance to the Dodgers current 3B, Justin Turner. Not a big kid, but he is solidly built and has a strong enough arm for RF. BA projects him to have a bad 2020 and then take of in 2021. He is young enough that those hiccups can happen and he is one to watch. If he shows he can adjusts to full season ball relatively quickly, you will start hearing his name more consistently.

    IF Alex De Jesus (MLB #UR, BA #UR, BP #UR)- De Jesus may not have the upside of some of the players before him, but there is a small contingent of scouts that do think big things are on the horizon for this kid. While his introduction to the AZL was a bit rough, his ability to put the bat on the ball and drive it with authority was a solid start for someone that was still only 17 playing against players on average almost 3 years older. If he can continue to grow and maintain his speed or build on it, he can play somewhere up the middle, but if he gets too big and starts to lose quickness, the feeling is that he will have a bat for the corner. It will be interesting to see how aggressive they are this year and if they push him to full season or Ogden.

    RHP Zach Willeman (MLB #UR, BA #UR, BP #UR)- I won't quit you, Zach! This was last years offseason darling and things just did not work out. Reports were that he was looking like Walker Buehler 2.0 with a 100 MPH fastball and 3 plus rated secondary pitches after coming back from TJ and as long as he could throw those pitches for strikes, he would fly up the charts. Welp, he didn't throw strikes and he couldn't strike anyone out. The club was monitoring his innings so he clocked in at only 80.1 IP for the season. He had two stretches that were just abysmal that cratered his season and outside of that, nothing else too spectacular. Even though the game starts weren't there, he was used in a piggy-back role that is not uncommon at the lower levels. So why is he still on here? Cause when he was used in relief a year ago he was throwing 100 MPH with life and showed those 3 + secondary pitches. Those are some hefty tools he has in the bag and if he can somehow put it together, he could be a monster, either as a starter or in relief.
     
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    Who do you think will end up at Cucamonga? Going to try and see more games there this year.
     
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    I think the second half of the season will be more exciting in Rancho, though the team could push some guys if they want them out of the MWL environment. You should probably see Vargas, Jacob Amaya, Michael Grove, Ryan Pepiot, Robinson Ortiz, Willeman and John Rooney at the start, though a couple of those guys COULD get pushed. Andre Jackson and Rooney are two guys with success in HiA where they may go to Tulsa just to get the pitchers out of the Cal League. Hoese and Busch are probably on the fence, depending how they do in ST. I could see both starting in the MWL, then getting the quick push if they get off to fast starts, which is hard to do up there in the spring. I would be interested to see what the club does with Brandon Lewis in the year ahead. He was a masher that lost a ton of weight since HS and his game has steadily improved. He had a rough start in LoA, but he should see a promotion to Rancho at some point as long as he produces. One other guy to keep an eye out on is Jack Little out of Stanford. He has really taken to the clubs developmental tactics and his secondaries have see a boost. If I am not mistaken, it was either him or Pepiot that popped up in a BA blurb saying that their velo had taken a jump since joining the org which had them with a more likely big league trajectory.
     
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    Pipeline came out with their Top LHP and Catching prospects. Unsurprisingly, nobody from the club made the LHP'ing list and I would not expect that to change any time soon as the org has not drafted or signed many high LH'ers in recent seasons. Robinson Ortiz(#25) and John Rooney (#30) are the only ones even in the clubs top 30. Rooney has been successful in his early tenure, but he does it with pedestrian stuff that has played up with advanced control. He is a big kid, so I would love to see if the org can coax a bit more velo out of him, but right now his ceiling is that of a back of the rotation starter.

    As for catcher, only one Dodgers prospect made the list and that was Keibert Ruiz coming in at #7. This is almost a guarantee now that Pipeline will have him in the bottom half of their top 100 in a couple of weeks. Ruiz is really hurt by not having more time to show his stuff in AAA before missing the rest of the season with an injury. From the sounds of it, he was mostly bored with the idea of repeating a level he had already conquered. He made their list for most to prove after his down year, but funny thing is he still had a better year than the rated one spot ahead of him, who also is a year older and played at a lower level. Ruiz is the 4th youngest player on the list and one of only two players on it that have played above AA and one of four to play above high A. I don't think it is time to start making judgement calls on this kid just yet. I'd expect Diego Cartaya to be on this list by the end of the season.
     
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    I take issue with this as well. People want prospects to knock down walls like Kool aid man. They want to be on the next guys bandwagon rather than be rational.

    Ruiz has been the youngest or amongst the youngest players in every league he has been in. He has not gone backwards in any regard. He's just got a Proffesional aspect to his game. He doesn't break rhythm. He doesn't get pressured. He is so mechanical. The sound off of his bat is the best I've heard since Chin Feng Chen (I saw 32 Tulsa games last year.) He knows what's coming and he squares it up, albeit with a level swing.

    Maybe he won't hit 20 home runs with his approach but he most certainly has the power to. I see a 285. 12 390 obp catcher and that's damn good.
     
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    No Dodgers in the Top 10 1B, not a surprise and really not a position of immediate need anyway. The Rockies had 3 and the D'Backs had 1, but none are currently projected to be anything better than average. It is a fairly weak position league wide. The Dodgers have a good number of prospects that could fall to the position if things don't pan out at more demanding defensive positions.
     

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