Is our Scouting Department ANY good?

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  1. 4everblue

    4everblue DSP Regular

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    has anyone noticed how none of our "Minor League player of the year" ever gets to have an impact? look at the last several years. Its all full of AAAA players or guys that never reached their potential

    2012 - Ely and Penderson
    2011 - Tollerson and SVS
    2010 - Sands and RDLR (maybe the only one that will ever do something interesting)
    2009 - Dee and Elbert
    2008 - IDJ and James McD
    2007 - Hu and James McD
    2006 - Loney and Mark Alexander (who????)
    2005 - Andy LaRoche and Bills
    2004 - Joel Guzman and Bills

    Over that, think about the players that we have developed that have become a solid ML player and only Kemp and CK come to mind. Think about the list that was published several weeks ago about the "prospects" we have traded in recent years, and you arent missing a thing... then add that we actually drafted TWICE Luke Hochevar (who has been a disappointment) and you cant get to think that these guys arent really good.

    Teams like TB, A's and some others compete every year full of inside players, but we have only 2 players to show for the last 10 years (2 really good ones, but only 2)...

    should we cut the Logan love and start calling him an under-performer???
     
  2. chris

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    Kemp and CK are not solid, they're superstars. If you're expecting players like that on the regular, you're expecting way too much.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    First off, teams like the As/Rays don't compete every year. They go through patches of being pretty bad, in rebuilding.

    Minor League player of the year also doesn't mean it's the player Logan and company think is best (Van Slyke/Ely are good examples).

    But I think being able to scout/develop a #1/#2 in the rotation, an entire bullpen (along with other arms who have been traded but are still bullpen pieces), one of the best all around players in the league, currently three starting MLB catchers, and some other hitters is good enough from a scouting department that had to go through using limited financial resources.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    the cupboard may have been a bit bare there for a while
    but there's a lot of reason for optimism
    this just on our AFL players
    doesn't include Lee, who was yesterday named the #23 pitching prospect by minor league ball...

    AFL Dodger Pitching Prospects

    Chris Reed - LHP - 22.25 years old - This roster spot was originally for Paco Rodriguez, but after using him throughout the month of September the Dodgers thought better of sending him to the AFL and wisely gave the spot to Reed. Due to a variety of minor injuries Chris only threw 70.1 innings in his first full professional season, so this should allow Reed to make up for some lost time. As a lot of teams don't send their top young pitching prospects to the AFL, Reed should get plenty of attention in Arizona.​

    Andres Santiago - RHP - 23 years old - Santiago was one of the Dodgers most impressive breakout pitching prospects in 2012, and he'll look to continue his recent success in the AFL. Andres was drafted by the Dodgers back in 2007 as a 17 year old, and since then he's made steady progress through the system. After posting a sub 4 ERA in the hitter friendly California League with more than a strikeout per inning, Andres actually lowered his ERA to 2.77 in AA and continue to rack up the K's. He's definitely someone to watch as we head into 2013.​

    Onelki Garcia - LHP - 23 years old - Garcia was a late addition the AFL roster, and the 2012 3rd round pick is a bit of a mystery as he made just one regular season appearance in 2012. If you include the playoffs, however, Onelki struck out 11 batters in just 5 innings and by all accounts looked very good in doing so. The AFL should be the perfect place for Garcia to make up for lost time, and if he continues to succeed he could be a fast mover for the Dodgers.​

    Eric Eadington - LHP - 24.5 years old - For a non drafted free agent, Eadington has done very well for himself. After turning some heads in the Rookie Leagues in 2011, Eric continued his success in Class A before meeting his match in AA. Even though he had a 5.73 ERA for the Lookouts, the fact that he even made it to the Southern League in just his second professional season is quite impressive, and the fact that he is a hard throwing lefty makes him even more attractive for an organization that his short on lefty handed relievers.​

    Red Patterson - RHP - 25.25 years old - Patterson made the transition from the rotation to the bullpen in 2012, and overall his conversion went pretty well. While he struggled a bit in the middle of the season (June and July), he was extremely effective in April, May, and August which resulted in an ERA and FIP of right around 3.00. He proved to be quite durable as he ranked third on the Lookouts with 47 appearances, and he struck out more than a batter per inning. While he'll be one of the older players on the Solar Sox at 25, he is at a perfect age to help out the big league club as soon as next season.​

    AFL Dodger Hitting Prospects

    Griff Erickson - C - 24.5 years old - A year ago I was singing Erickson's praise in this very same AFL preview, but after an ugly 2012 performance for the Lookouts Griff has seen his prospect status drop significantly. The switch hitting catcher batted just .234 in the Southern League, and after crushing 13 homers in 2011, he connected on just 3 long balls in 2012. That being said the 24 year old still showed solid plate disciple as he walked almost as much as he struck out, and he also showed great defense behind the plate as he made just 3 errors all season long.​

    Rafael Ynoa - INF - 25 years old - Ynoa was probably the Dodgers biggest surprise on the AFL roster given that he typically isn't considered to be much of a prospect, but after watching Elian Herrera make his big league debut in 2012 I guess you have to believe that anything is possible. Rafael played all of last year in the Southern League, and while he didn't hit a homer and had an OPS of just .715, he did steal 23 bases and had a very solid strikeout to walk ratio. He's also received high praise for his defense, and with the Lookouts he split his time between shortstop and 2nd base.​

    Joc Pederson - OF - 20.5 years old - The second youngest player on the Solar Sox (only 2012 9th overall pick Javier Baez is younger), Pederson will look to continue his torrid 2012 season which earned him the Dodgers minor league player of the year award. After an MVP type season for Ogden in 2011, Joc got off to a relatively slow start for the Quakes this past year. But from July on he slugged 15 of his 18 homers and had an OPS above 1.000. He made his AA debut in the Southern League playoffs, and that should be where he starts the 2013 season even if he if he struggles in the AFL.​

    Yasiel Puig - OF - 21.75 years old - Puig will likely be one of the most talked about players in the AFL as scouts from across the country will try and determine if he was worth the Dodgers' $42M investment. Puig has already turned quite a few heads after an impressive 23 game debut in 2012, although he's also already received some criticism for his somewhat lackadaisical attitude. It's uncertain as to where he fits into the Dodgers' long term plans, but if he hits like a $42M player then I'm sure Los Angeles will find a spot for him sooner rather than later.​

     
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    and don't forget
    your avatar cost us carlos santana :poke:

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  6. LAFord

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    The biggest problem with our scouting is our acvanced scouting reports must be shit. This is probably why when we face a pitcher we've never seen, they shut us down like an ace would...even when it's a AAAA level pitcher.
     
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    we have developed a #1 and #3 (Bills is NOT a #2), a closer by mistake and nothing else (Belisario was not developed by us), the only other closer developed by us is Broxton. The catchers Martin has underperformed for years now. Ellis can carry his own weight, but that sends another message as they never thought he was capable, and that's called mismanagement. I have no idea what other "hitters" you mean, but I do know they never protected Victorino, who I hate, but became a solid players for many years (mismanagement again?)

    EDIT: Oh, the other catcher was Santana. Right... OK, he's good, but had a big step back this year... not a top 10 catcher.
     
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    Don't forget other names that we traded away...

    Edwin Jackson
    Franklin Gutierrez
    Joel Hanrahan
    Nathan Eovaldi


    We have a very good, not great scouting department, which by the way, I think you mean more drafting and player development, but we'll call it scouting. As mentioned before, one main reason the last few years have not been great is because of the financial constraints we have. The only guy we reached for, Zach Lee, is now a top prospect. Puig is already top 100 overall and the last draft is full of very toolsy hitters and power arms that should be up soon...hell one played this year already! Add to that, you are forgetting that Guerra, Jansen, Elbert, Broxton (before Torre killed him), Tolleson (who will be great) and many, many other BP arms are home grown.

    We have a top 5-7 scouting department that will only become better as the money is now flowing. I can honestly say that 2014 or so, we will have a top-3 ranked farm system in the league.
     
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    Sorry, but I dont buy it... Farm systems are not intended to develop bp arms, they happen out of failed starters that can throw gas and a secondary pitch... you fail to learn a third and 4th pitch...

    On the names you said only Edwin has been a somewhat valuable pitcher, but that's after bouncing from team to team... Hanrahan might be another example of mismanagement, based on a discussion we had here some weeks ago...
     
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    Bills was starting to pitch like a 2 once he started to ditch that bitch cutter
     
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    @doyer, Dodgers dont compete every year either.
     
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    exactly... we have been rebuilding with little to show off for... compare us to the Giants... they have Sandoval, Posey, Cain, Lincecum, Bumgardner... can we show something similar?
     
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    Yeah I know we don't, and I never said we did. But he said the As and Rays compete every year which is false. Hardly any, if any, team competes every year off the talent from a farm system. Every team goes through down years, even (and especially) the As and Rays
     
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    Not for sure on the complete history of where these guys came from but didn't Ethier come from the farm? Also Kuroda is one of the few Japanese pitchers who did well over the years. I'd say you scouted him well even if he was a pro Japan.
     
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    ethier actually came from the a's for milton bradley and antonio perez
     
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    We also had Nomo and Ishii from Japan. I'd say we've had some good fortune in Japan also.
     
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    Getting rid of Milton Bradley......+2 for the scouts IMO.
     
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    exactly, that was a steal
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    saito was fucken nails for us as well
    in 3 years; 1.95 ERA 81 saves
     
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    This thread is absurd
     
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