Looking at the Dee Gordon Trade

Gee if only that were predictable

 

That's why we love Yung Joc.

 

You're twisted, sister.

 

This was fun, I was listening to MLB on XM and they were interviewing Gordon. Afterwards Bowman and company were ragging on the Dodgers. "They traded both Dee and Heaney for Kendrick! Imagine if they had both those guys right now! They'd have an all star second baseman and a pitcher to slot in behind Greinke and Kershaw." I still have a headache from punching myself in the face after the stupidity in that, but then... "Kendrick is probably gone after this year, how do you make that trade with no eye on the future?!" IDK, maybe cause though he isn't an all star, Kendrick has still been very solid and we can always QO him... OH YEAH AND WE GOT 3 OTHER GUYS IN THE DEAL! Hernandez has been a great bench piece, I think Hatcher still has good upside after some bad luck then just letting it get to him mentally and Barnes has continued to rake in the AAA while putting up what sounds like solid D at an extremely valuable position. You can't judge that deal a few weeks in or because the fans voted for a guy who has been terrible for the entire second quarter of the season(sounds familiar...). I still hope that Dee turns into a great player as he seems like a great kid, but I'm still not sold that his body will hold up over the span of 162 games to where he can really be anything more than a first month superstar.

 

To me, it's confusing that these guys are paid to make ignorant statements about baseball. It's maddening. I'm not saying that anyone here or myself are experts or anything, but I'm sure most of us could do a hell of a lot better than Harold Reynolds for example. There are so many smart people that follow and write about baseball, and yet these major networks and radio stations hire truly dumb people. I don't understand.

 

Whatever or however it turns out, I think that moving Heaney from the team like shit through a goose was not a great move, but it seems that no matter what this FO does, it is looked upon by most others like gold...especially considering since we have been dumpster diving for pitchers from A to Z, and if Howie (as much as I like the dude), if a one year spot withstanding at best is true.
Letting a talented young pitcher through their fingers like water, Kike thrown in or not, was not so brilliant. And it was known what Heaney was...that was why the LAA were willing. Heaney is solid as a rock.It's not like Heaney just happened and popped up recently with his ability.
So maybe it's not so golden. I realize the hindsight aspect, but, damn, maybe 2b could have been filled with whoever and we keep Heaney could have been the move?
All that glitters is not gold...
It might all go back though, to the extremely precarious signing of Mccarthy and what they figured he would give us...not much unfortnately.

 

You know, that's just what I was thinking...why wouldn't the Dodgers just fill the hole at 2B with whoever because the object is obviously to try and look like the Padres, right?

Kendrick being on pace for another 70RBI season - who cares? Kendrick's .371/.423/.514 line with runners in scoring position this year - meh. His high leverage line of .333/.373/.444 - blah. Wait, why is Kendrick being mentioned again?

If they see fit to let Kendrick walk after the season, guess what? It won't be because they couldn't afford him. It'll be because the circumstances have changed...that's what happens sometimes. I'm sure they thought Ryu would be our Game 3 starter in the post season this year...again, circumstances change.

At the end of the day, somehow I don't believe " we miss Heaney " is gonna be the movement here. The guy's made 4 starts this year. July 31st is around the corner and we're the favorites to land Cueto. Personally, Heaney is way down on my list of worries.

 

NO, the object , in the case refferred to here, would be to keep a very valuable pitcher as part of the SR as a LAD from a trade where we gave up an AS 2b. Second baseman would seem to be WAY more available these days than a really good pitcher... just my tuppence.
Not the ridiculous premise that we want to be like the Padres...or whether it's a worry for you, or on your list, or a "movement" (are you joking?) here should begin.
I believe I did mention the hindsight involved also. That's the same as the "situations change" sentence you wrote about was...uh...about.
Only my tuppence, like it's yours the other way.
It doesn't matter really...it will play out the same in the end.
And I sure do hope we get Cueto; front runners as we always seem to be...but it doesn't change a thing about Heaney, though, IMO.

 

No, you're not going to just go out and find another everyday 2B that can hit in the middle of the order and provide this level of righty-protection. Again, Kendrick is on pace for another 70RBI season, he's hitting .371/.423/.514 line with runners in scoring position, and his high leverage line of .333/.373/.444 is just what the doctor ordered in a lefty-heavy lineup. He's been doing what he's doing right now for 6-8 years now. Consistency and credentials.

The Dodgers already have young pitching coming and they're still adding, so " Heaney being very valuable "...not so much. Not to them. Our top 2 young arms right now are ranked higher than Heaney ever was in the minors. That doesn't even include the top college arms that the FO added in the draft this year, both of whom could help as soon as next season, or Pablo Fernandez who they also spent 8M on when they signed Olivera. Fernandez is expected to join the rotation this season as well.

Heaney's a good spec, but he's had 4 starts this season. Unless you're gonna tell me that you'd feel good about Heaney's ability to start a Game 3 in the 2015 post season ( and there's no way you can do that with a straight face...not coming off the season he had last year), he would not be having the same level impact as Kendrick. The Dodgers need a Ryu replacement...a Game 3 starter. The rest of the rotation, they currently have enough resources on their own farm to figure out " who's #5? "

 

Got nothing at all against Howie and what he's doing , has done, and will do for a bit more ,I imagine.
Nothing.
But if they went into it with the "one year attitude" as a done deal, they might have looked at the future worth of both of them. That's basically my point.
And it is kinda out of synch, in light of what has happened, but right now the third game starter is Anderson, right? Not that confident there...
The young arms and all the hype that comes with them all remains to be witnessed, if ever at all.
We have had lots of promise come up, and go right back down or somewhere else. Like Rubby or Eovaldi. Or not get here at all...a la Lee.
We'll see.

 

And I doubt that they went into this thing with Kendrick with 1 year in mind. Friedman's already said he'll be open to bringing Kendrick back ( also said he's willing to discuss a new deal with Kendrick during the season, no less) and both Friedman and Kasten have spoken to how they've both chased Howie Kendrick trades in the past. They like the player.

If their stance has changed, so be it...circumstances change. I doubt that they knew they'd be signing Olivera back in December.

The young arms and hype...Heaney falls into that category as well. In a couple weeks we should have a bona fide Game 3 starter.

 

Keep in mind we either keep Howie on a long term deal or get a comp pick for him, no chance we lose him for nothing

 

And with Kendrick's current performance there is no way GG lets him leave.

One of the steadiest most reliable clutch hitting 2B's in the MLB

 

I think Howie goes too. We have too much depth and we still get a comp pick for him.

 

Turner is pretty much rewriting his career...I mean this is a bench guy that's in the midst of proving to be an everyday guy. Do you sell high before he falls?...Keep him for depth?...Keep him/trust him in a starter's role going forward and let an everyday staple like Kendrick go? They have some questions to answer.

The LAD lineup is gonna be very lefty heavy going forward. Adrian, Grandal, Joc, Seager...all of these guys are top-middle of the order guys that are gonna need righty protection, so I'd be looking to keep my trusted righty bats. And I don't count Puig as a part of that trusted group. I've seen enough of him in high leverage spots to where he's still gotta prove that he can provide that type of protection from the middle of the order ( he's very top or very bottom for me). Kendrick is the only real staple as far as trusted righties go for us. Turner, again, is building up his equity in this aspect, but it's basically Kendrick as the trusted righty that we have resume-wise with Turner and hopefully Olivera adding to that. They have options if Kendrick leaves, but keeping them all should be priority #1 in terms of looking to win next year because all those high caliber lefties need protecting and Kendrick provides stability and trust.

 

Me thinks not. He is a bench guy being pressed into being an everyday guy, and there is a difference. He's a place holder until next season, and he definitely has value going forward, but it's not as a starter.

I think we will see Olivera really soon, and that by the end of August we will have a very good idea of the shape of the infield in 2016. Only speculation at this point, but I think one of the two could be a piece in trade for another solid starter. I think 3rd could start 2016 as a platoon, with Turner as a player there.

The one key that I see is that there are options. Lots of options. And options are a good thing.

 

We agree about it being good to have options but do you really think Turner is platoon level at best??

 

I lean towards saying I'd keep Howie. Seager and Olivera will probably both play significant innings in 2016, but Turner already needs 1-2 days off a week, I'm not opposed to paying Kendrick 12-15 over a few years just because you know what you're getting.