FEDIT POLITICS Thread

are those the same people that say this is Obamas economy atm?
i mean i've been involved in business my entire life and have never seen an economic downturn like the one that took place in 08
whether it was starting in 07 or affected by the flaccid Bush year is speculation
only things i saw go up were unemployment and my debt
trying to sell democrats as good for business is pretty hard to do
then again i don't think republicans are much different anymore
i vote for less government and more of my money in my pocket tyvm

 

^^This proves my point although I do not recall my 401K doing this well in 2008...

They had all 3 branches of government so things could happen. Trump wins but loses the Congress, lame duck for 4 years and the economy will be stagnate as well.

Good economy and Americans first is all I really want. Oh yeah, and a Dodger World Series win would be nice...

 

btw appreciate views that oppose mine
i might not understand and we can disagree without calling each other names or throwing shame
enjoy fact based debate and its cool to have guys w opposing views post in the fedit politics thread
historically i've found the democratic party to hold views i agree with and was a liberal into my mid 20s
voted for slick willy and even ralph nader
but i have trouble even relating to what this current group is selling
free speech and free markets

 

Bush was president in '08 when things crashed. The Democrats that won the 2008 elections took office in 2009. The market continued to tank at the beginning of '09, but it recovered and did better in the first 3 years than what it has done during the Trump years.

The reality is the President has only a loose effect on the economy, but if you really want to praise/blame everything that happens to the economy on the President (many people do) then it's worth pointing out that the worst economic crash in the past 50 years happened while there was a Republican president, at the end of his presidency.

As a Democrat I recognize that if the economy is doing well at election time, it will play in the incumbent's favor. As a person who works in the investing industry, I hope it's doing well.

 

Just because you have some aspects of socialism in the universal health care trend doesn't mean you go total socialism that's the fear tactic used by the right. You don't change an entire government in 4 years that it took 200+ years to develop. No philosophy is obviously perfect on either side of the table but new ideas won't hurt. Yes indeed politicians will always be politicians sadly. The cost of living as well will always be high but I'm not going anywhere. Hilary has been out yes but she's promoting her book she wrote with Chelsea and of course they are going to ask about Donald but that doesn't mean she's angling. She's a woman and by nature she'll put her 2 cents in.

 

Those numbers were there when a Democrat was President. Maybe not as many record breakers but it was there. I'm 57 so I've been watching believe me. I want and need to retire lol.

 

During Obama's time in office the unemployment rate dropped from a staggering 9.9% to 4.7%. That's a 52% drop in unemployment.

During Trump's time in office it has dropped from 4.7% to 3.5%. That's a 26% drop.

Both are positive, I won't argue that, but you can't scoff at the improvement that happened during Obama.

 

The Dow did better under Clinton and Obama then it has done under Trump. The fear mongering that things will go south just because a Democrat is in office is unfounded.

 

Completely agree. Just have to keep trying.

 

Disagree
When the entire stage raises their hand to give 'free' healthcare to illegal aliens, there are no scare tactics necessary.
Did any of the candidates stand clearly against the Green New Deal?
That proposal goes far beyond the boundaries of just 'universal healthcare trends'.
They're going full blown socialist.
I will give AOC credit on one thing. She said, "There is no way Joe Biden and I should be in the same party." It's true. The Democrat party is being taken over by full blown socialists.
Whether that's a good or bad thing is up for debate. But there is no denying the full-blown socialist future of the Dem party.

 

well i see what they are doing not only w health care, but freddie and fanny as well as myriad other opportunities as they arise
just did it locally w the commercial trash business
its starts out slow and then you have no choice

 

anyone heard of the new way forward act?
thats a fucking scary one and not being reported at all

 

I've always been told that 4% unemployment is really zero unemployment, right? I mean people that can't work or don't really want to work (I know it's hard to believe) make up most of that number in the country. If you subscribe to that theory, then 3.5% is pretty good, wouldn't you say?

That being said, I guess we can agree to disagree on this and I'm guessing a wide array of political topics. I agree with Diablo, it's a nice change to have a discussion like this and not get yelled at or be told I'm a racist, blah, blah, blah...

 

Jobs are there but no doubt about it but are they up to the minimum standard of living. Those jobs are raw numbers but you have to look deeper in what they pay and IF they are below poverty level.

We can go around and around on the illegal problem but right now with current iteration of the coronavirus the more sick people you have the more it can spread and those people come from a society that regularly wear masks. My job I go to a new location every day practically and I have a huge concern about how many sick people are there and what am I touching even if I have gloves. It would be nice to know all people have access to medical care in some fashion.

Edit: EVERY CVS which is the stores I am merchandising in are out of masks. Warehouse can't keep up.

 

once again those numbers were skewed
they stopped counting the people on their 8th quarter of unemployment as chronically unemployable or something
there was a huge number of people that had just stopped looking and ebt benefits were at their zenith

 

i don't doubt it but i don't know a single person that wants a job that doesn't have one
during the obama years i knew a LOT
then again i don't remember anything like this homeless epidemic but not sure if thats unique to CA
also i don't hear anyone disputing the employment numbers when Trump cites them
i think its more than manipulation atm