The drop off was so dramatic and I remember pretty much all of us commenting on how a swing that big has to have holes and man have they found them Those different approaches you mention have to be borne largely of frustration and just basic instinct reverting back to what worked before the bigs Thats some powerful stuff mentally and physically to get beyond especially w pitches in your lap in split seconds I don't know much about how things went w Brown but if Joc can get past this and salvage his career I will be completely impressed That first half of last year had all Dodger fans thinking we had a superstar center fielder Since then we haven't seen even a glimpse of that guy at the plate and all that promise has been replaced by a cold hard fact Im rooting for you Joc
I agree. Same with Puig. You cant put athletes into a box. Not freakishly talented athletes. Each one is different and special. Not as people but as ball players. Puig and Joc are freaks. Seager too. As freaks you may get a 72 rated player some nights and a 99 rated player others. But the coach would rather have an 84 rated player ever night instead. Fine, but dont try to change him into that. Instead let him work it out and encourage him along so he can learn how to get the best out of himself. To learn how to reflect back on his own actions and thought process then pick it all apart to gleam the answers hes looking for. All while relying on the bedrock of what got you where you are and not listening to whatever guy hired to be in your ear and tell you try this try that do this do that. Its not his career. And hes probably gonna be replaced in a couple years anyway.
Yeah I remember DBB comparing Joc's swing to CarGo's a bunch. The big leg kick and the swing arc to a degree..OK, I see it there. Different approach overall tho. CarGo holds his hands high and sort of handcuffs himself so his swing is steady and to the ball and then his stance is way open before the leg kick and then closed afterwards, sort of stepping the plate and similar in principle to AGon's approach. Very different from Joc's approach, less room for error. Definitely a powerful play on your psyche tho, agreed. My dude calling the game today was just calling them out every AB, " welp, now he has the toe up and some kick after having the flat foot and no kick ", etc.
so now TB has to go and start his own thread? guess ill cut him some slack since he's all wyoming bound and shit but maybe someone could move half the game thread comments over here? idt anyone is predicting or wishing for anything other than Joc to regroup its just kinda fucking crazy to make the show and get exposed so fast and then have to change your style completely its like gary clark jr hitting stride w blues/rock and having the power tell him he needs to play techno how the fuck is he supposed to do that?
Joc's Spring is off to a rough start and he looks like a mess at the plate right now(Dodgers Digest had a piece about him today). He needs to get comfortable quick or he is gonna have to start the year in OKC. Really hope he can figure things out. Dude has a world of talent and I would hate to see him completely lose it.
good call colorado Initial impressions of Joc Pederson’s new swing not promising by Chad Moriyama | Dodger Digest — 3 hours ago Sunday’s game wasn’t Joc Pederson‘s debut this spring for Dodgers, as he had played in one game previously and went 1-for-3 with two strikeouts. However, that game wasn’t on television, so we didn’t get a look at the much anticipated changes to his swing in game action. Yesterday, then, was when we all finally got a look at the new swing, and the initial impressions it made were rather horrifying. Yeah, Joc went 0-for-3 with three strikeouts, but it’s Spring Training and it’s just one game, so I’m not going to care about the results. I will, however, care about both the setup and mechanical changes, plus the fact that either one or the other was altered every time he was up. [Click HERE to see the VIDEOS] New hitting coach Turner Ward apparently transformed Paul Goldschmidt into the monster he is today, and he’s a hitting coach in the major leagues, so he knows a lot more about hitting than me. But whatever these changes are supposed to help Joc with, they don’t seem to make much sense. Joc’s main problems last year were likely his swing length, bat drag caused by his front-side mechanics, and weight distribution issues stemming from his lower-body mechanics. Thus, I find it odd that his swing length is the same, his foot now opens up to the shortstop and makes it easier for him to be front-side dominant, and that there’s now another step to get his stride started so that his bottom half appears even more rushed. I’m not going to hit the panic button yet, because it’s a sample size of three plate appearances that we’ve been able to see, but this is definitely an inauspicious start.
It's really hilarious for DodgersDigest to write that article considering they love to mock fans for reacting to smaller sample sizes
I'm saving all my negativity and player bashing for the regular season, but i've always been concerned about Joc.
This. I couldn't care less about the results right now. It's his process, body language, mechanics, etc. That has me worried. Totally effed.
I would say it is at this point in spring. I mean I completely understand being worried about him, cause I completely am too, there's evidence that he could be toast. My main complaint was they (DD) always mock fans reactions to small stuff even if it's justified, and are doing it too. I think we'd have to see if this new swing really is his new swing, maybe it's a sort of drill to correct himself in some ways. Nothing's gonna matter until the games start but hopefully soon we start seeing something that he looks more comfortable in
The trade with the White Sox might be one that comes out as very important if Trayce Thompson really gets some time as a starting CF :O Joc really is important to this team, and the Dodgers need a bounce back from him more then they need one from Puig
My point was that the sample size isn't going to be all that great by the end of ST either, yet I think we can agree that OKC may be in his future if it doesn't start to look better and more consistent by the end of ST.
I think this is akin to a professional golfer changing swing coaches and working on a new swing. If the changes are successful, you will still see a drop off in performance until all the kinks are ironed out. But two things annoy me about this. This process should have started the 2nd half of last season when it was clear Joc was struggling. Trying to iron this out in ST is playing with fire a bit. 2nd thing is that not all new swing coaches work out, and the changes don't make things better. There is no guarantee. Again, this process should have started much earlier. It looks like he's trying different approaches in each at bat.
