DODGERS The Neverending PUIG Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Jul 11, 2016.

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Dodgers should...

  1. Trade Puig to anyone who will take him regardless of the return

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  2. Trade Puig for top prospects

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  3. Trade Puig, but only for MLB ready talent in return

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  4. Do not Puig under any circumstances

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  5. Keep Puig, and reacquire Kemp (Rube's choice)

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  1. CapnTreee

    CapnTreee Guest

    I've got to agree honestly.

    Bringing up his BA is huge but learning to be a clutch hitter? Well that's proving the more distant target.

    Proving that I'm a balanced fuck I'll even share the obvious from baseball-reference.com

    Puig BA when ahead by more than 4 runs = .440
    Puig BA with 2 outs RISP = .176


    And THAT is bullshit.. even IF I do like the kids chances overall
     
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  2. Fall Winslow

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    Hatcher tryin hard as hell to give Puig a chance to improve his clutch stats tonight
     
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  3. rube

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    me too, from any number of Dodgers.
     
  4. C2ThaB81

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    But unfortunately a number of Dodgers weren't in that same situation.....twice, in as many days.
     
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    Puig sucks
     
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  7. BlueMouse

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    We always talk about "selling high" and "buying low". I don't know if you could call this selling "high" on Puig... But this could very well be his highest selling point from here on out. I just don't see the upside that will make us regret that move. If a comparable OFer on a one-year deal + another piece can be had, we have to consider moving him.
     
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  8. irish

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    Dodgers open to trading Puig
    by Matthew Moreno | Dodger Blue — 3 hours ago

    Over recent seasons Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier were often the Los Angeles Dodgers outfielders most often mentioned in trade rumors. This February that grew to include Alex Guerrero, who reportedly emerged as the outfielder ‘most likely’ to be traded.

    Crawford and Guerrero are no longer with the organization as both were designated for assignment and released, while Ethier earned a no-trade clause as a 10-and-5 player. That’s seemingly left Yasiel Puig subject to trade rumors despite him being the outfielder on the Dodgers’ roster with the most upside.

    Earlier this month it was reported the club was willing to entertain trade offers for the 25-year-old. Now, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Dodgers are said to be open to trading Puig:

    Which is why Player Y’s team, at the very least, is open to trading him, according to major-league sources. Player Y, if you haven’t figured it out, is the Dodgers’ Yasiel Puig.

    While the Dodgers are believed to be scouring the pitching market, any deal involving Puig presumably would involve receiving an outfielder in return. The club is currently thin at the position with Ethier, Joc Pederson and Trayce Thompson all on the disabled list.

    Pederson is expected to be reinstated from the DL on Tuesday, Thompson may not be far behind, but Ethier is on track for an August or September return. Collectively, Dodgers outfielders are hitting .233/.310/.402; ranking last in the National League in batting average, 12th in on-base percentage, and 10th in slugging.

    After struggling through much of the season, Puig has been improved at the place since coming off the DL. In 22 games (20 starts) since June 21, he’s batting .307/.404/.427 with three doubles, two home runs, 11 RBIs, nine walks and 14 strikeouts in 89 plate appearances.

    Amid some inconsistency at the plate, Puig’s arm and penchant to make spectacular plays in right field isn’t something the Dodgers can replicate in his absence.

    Los Angeles was tied to Cincinnati Reds outfielder Jay Bruce last month and more recently, were reported as having trade talks with the Tampa Bay Rays, with Logan Forsythe’s and Evan Longoria’s names being kicked around.
     
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    Dodgers need outfield help, yet Puig trade rumors persist
    by Eric Stephen | True Blue LA — 14 hours ago

    The non-waiver trade deadline in Major League Baseball is less than two weeks away, and the rumors will start ramping up in their frequency and scope in the final days. One of the Dodgers' obvious needs is an outfield bat, which makes the latest suggestion by Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports that the club is open to trading Yasiel Puig a little bit puzzling.

    Dodgers outfielders as a whole are hitting just .233/.310/.402 on the season. They rank 12th in the National League in OPS, 12th in on-base percentage, 10th in slugging percentage, dead last in batting average, 11th in wOBA (.308) and ninth in wRC+ (94), the latter adjusted for park.

    "Would it make sense for [Puig]'s team to look for a better hitter at his position and more proficient outfielders in general? Of course it would," Rosenthal wrote. "Which is why [Puig]'s team, at the very least, is open to trading him, according to major-league sources."

    The non-waiver trade deadline was moved one day forward this year so it wasn't on a Sunday. This year the deadline is at 1 p.m. PT on Monday, Aug. 1. The Dodgers are off that day.

    Now is as good a time as any for a reminder to always fully read reports of trade rumors, at the very least for context. To me, the worst part of trade deadline season is the game of telephone that causes a very loose rumor to be picked up by a content aggregator, going only off of a headline, and by the time the rumor gets passed around enough it gets completely distorted.

    In this case, Rosenthal is at the top of the heap among national reporters both in his accuracy and his connections within the industry, so there is little reason to doubt him. But even he reported that the Dodgers are open to trading Puig, which isn't the same as the club actively shopping him.

    I believe the Dodgers are open to trade just about anybody if the price is right, outside of probably Clayton Kershaw and Corey Seager.

    At the very least, this Rosenthal report is much stronger than his July 9 video report, which was more of a suggestion that the Dodgers would consider moving Puig depending on if the club made other moves and/or when Andre Ethier returns from the disabled list.

    The problem in trading Puig goes back to the very problem discussed above, that the Dodgers need help in the outfield so why would they move one of their three best outfielders, and their best outfield defender?

    The depth is already suffering. Joc Pederson is expected to be activated from the disabled list on Tuesday, but Trayce Thompson is on the DL with back problems, and there is no timetable for Ethier's return from a fractured tibia, so it's probably not reasonable to expect much once he is ready to return.

    Over the weekend in Arizona, the Dodgers started Andrew Toles and Zach Walters in the outfield, and had Puig and Scott Van Slyke make their first starts in center field since 2014. The club has started veteran second baseman Howie Kendrick in left field 34 times this season, on purpose. And this is a team that should trade Puig?

    The two most mentioned outfield additions for the Dodgers are Jay Bruce off the Reds and Josh Reddick of the Athletics, the latter acquired by Oakland in December 2011 when current Dodgers general manager Farhan Zaidi was the director of baseball operations with the A's.

    Both are left-handed with strong platoon splits, and if acquired could at the very least team with Van Slyke for one productive corner outfield spot.

    The question of whether to trade Puig is entirely dependent on the return. With two years and $14 million remaining on his contract after 2016, plus one more year of salary arbitration (2019) before he's eligible for free agency, there is certainly some value there. He's still just 25 years old.

    If Puig is a part of a deal, let's say to the Yankees — pure speculation here — that nets Andrew Miller, maybe even with free-agent-to-be Carlos Beltran included to take Puig's place in the Dodgers outfield for two months, that means presumably fewer top prospects the club would have to give up in said deal. The Dodgers would have to at least consider it.

    Or maybe a trade of Puig nets prospects in return who could be packaged in some other deal. After all, it has been nearly a year since the Dodgers front office pulled off a multi-team trade so maybe they are getting itchy.

    Ultimately I don't think the Dodgers will move Puig this month, but rather will add at least one outfielder. But the fact that this rumor hasn't gone away means that the possibility will continue to loom either until he is dealt or on Aug. 1, whichever comes first.
     
  10. rube

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    In other words... Bullshit made up by rosendouche.
     
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  11. Gebbeth

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    Puig....need....watch....more video.....

    (my best Solomon Grundy voice).
     
  12. Bluezoo

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    There will come a day, in the far off future perhaps, when the Puig word will not be used.
    Like racial slurs, ancient spellings, and words like "twas"...maybe it will be spoken of as the "P word".
    " All things must pass"
    ...................George Harrison
     
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  13. CapnTreee

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    dudes hitting .307 since returning and we still hear this... come on BZ
     
  14. Bluezoo

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    You misunderstand...not a personal condemnation of Puig himself...it's just the volume of text pro and against him here, and now, I guess everywhere else. And individuals who relentlessly hate him make the mention of him a rehash of futility. If he goes, he goes. If he stays, he stays...whatever. I dont care.
    My feeling on Puig this season is although he disappoints very often in clutch spots, he is no more disappointing in the long run, than any other Dodger out there.
    I do feel however, that he needs psychiatric councelling. But so do many of us.
     
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  15. CapnTreee

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    :beer:

    I'll consider myself counselled
     
  16. Bluezoo

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    Well, I guess that's a start...I can't afford it.
     
  17. Bluezoo

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    Before the Puig Wars started...way before, I posted multiple times that we should move him, not based on O numbers, but on his legs...his hamstrung legs.
    It better happen, or we'll carry him forever.
     
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  18. Fall Winslow

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    Puig :garbage:
     
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  19. Doughty8

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    See what happens when you obsess over Yasiel, his hammy tightens. Let's try sending positive thought maybe??? A lot on here were wrong about JT!!!! :D
     
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    Puig's hammy tightens with both positive and negative thoughts, scientific fact Hah
    JT's Hulk Hogan hair-do is his source of power, also scientific fact
     
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