DODGERS The Neverending PUIG Thread

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Dodgers should...

  1. Trade Puig to anyone who will take him regardless of the return

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  2. Trade Puig for top prospects

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  3. Trade Puig, but only for MLB ready talent in return

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  4. Do not Puig under any circumstances

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  5. Keep Puig, and reacquire Kemp (Rube's choice)

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  1. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    will be the topic of conversation between now until the deadline...
     
  2. Fall Winslow

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    Lol You've done it now


     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    Dodgers may trade Yasiel Puig
    by Chris Cotillo | SB Nation MLB Daily Dish — 8 hours ago

    The Dodgers are considering trading outfielder Yasiel Puig before the non-waiver trade deadline, according to FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal.

    No suitors are yet known for Puig, though he will likely draw strong interest due to his raw talent and age (25). Puig has hit just .258/.316/.389 with seven home runs in 71 games so far this season, though is showing a bit of an improvement over his injury-shortened 2015 season.

    Los Angeles will have a crowded outfield mix once Andre Ethier and Joc Pederson return from the disabled list, as that pair will join Trayce Thompson, Scott Van Slyke, and Howie Kendrick on the depth chart.

    If Puig is dealt, it’s likely that the deal would bring major-league talent back to the Dodgers. The team already made one trade by bringing in Bud Norris from the Braves, but is expected to keep exploring the rotation market as Clayton Kershaw, Alex Wood and Brett Anderson work their way back from injuries.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    Why would the Dodgers want to trade Yasiel Puig?
    by Mike Bates | SB Nation MLB Daily Dish — 46 minutes ago

    If the Dodgers really are going to entertain offers for Yasiel Puig, here’s why they would and would not want to get rid of their former phenom.

    Ken Rosenthal reported over the weekend that the Dodgers were talking about trading Yasiel Puig, and my colleague Chris Cotillo discussed it this morning. It’s a shocking development for a guy who was once considered one of the bright young stars in the game, but who has struggled with injuries, ineffectiveness, and his approach to the game over the last few seasons.

    There is no doubting Puig’s talent. As a 22 year old with just 63 games under his belt in the minors, he blew the doors off of Dodger Stadium in 2013, hitting .319/.391/.534 with 19 homers. He sustained that excellent performance in 2014, hitting .296/.382/.480 with 16 dingers. But there were stories about Puig’s regular tardiness, immaturity, and about the divide he was causing in the clubhouse with his teammates. Those have been relatively quiet this season.

    He missed almost half of last season with hamstring strains, which flared up again in 2016, and his overall production has taken a serious dip. Overall, he’s hit just .256/.319/.386 (91 OPS+) while playing right field.

    At 51-40, the Dodgers are atop the NL Wild Card race, but they have a glut of outfielders, while their starting pitching has been almost comically banged up. So on several fronts, dealing the underachieving Puig makes sense. But on others it doesn’t. Let’s break it down:
    Here’s why it makes sense

    Puig’s development, as I discussed above, has stalled out. He remains a puzzling hitter with injury issues that threaten to sap his mobility when he’s already limited to an outfield corner. However, Puig is not that far removed from his previous exploits, and teams would presumably be willing to bet on a 25 year old bouncing back from his issues to become the guy who was worth nine wins between 2013 and 2014.

    Moreover, the Dodgers have a ton of outfielders. Howie Kendrick, Trayce Thompson, Kiké Hernandez, Scott Van Slyke, Andre Ethier, and Joc Pederson are all on the 40 man roster, meaning the Dodgers can mix and match to take advantage of matchups.

    And they’re fairly desperate for starters at this point. Clayton Kershaw is out for God knows how long with a back injury. So is Brett Anderson. Alex Wood is out for at least two months with elbow problems. Brandon McCarthy and Hyun-Jin Ryu are just off of the disabled list. Ross Stripling and Julio Urias have struggled in limited work, and Mike Bolsinger has been a disaster. The Dodgers have traded for Bud Norris, who has helped, but who should also not be expected to carry the staff down the stretch. And Scott Kazmir has been bad.

    If a deal for Puig can help bring back a front-line starting pitcher to for a big three with Kershaw and Kenta Maeda, Los Angeles would have to consider it.
    Here’s why it doesn’t make sense

    A bunch of those outfielders we talked about above aren’t actually any good. Thompson has great power and a good eye, but is hitting just .225. Kendrick is hitting just .254/.311/.359, even worse than Puig. Hernandez has been hurt and ineffective, as has Van Slyke.

    Ethier had a resurgent 2015, but won’t return until at least August, and may require more time to build up the strength in his broken tibia. And Pederson has still not been cleared to begin swinging a bad after a shoulder injury sent him onto the DL. The simple truth is that, as much as they could mix and match in the outfield, Puig is probably better than all of their other options, and dealing him would weaken the club if they don’t get an outfielder back in return.

    This is especially true now that Puig is playing better. Since coming off of the DL on June 21, Puig has appeared in all 19 games, hitting .317/.417/.467 with two homers, and eight walks in 72 plate appearances, against 10 strikeouts. It’s a small sample, but it may indicate that, when healthy, Puig can still turn it on. Trading that while he is at a relative trough, value-wise, is exactly the kind of move you wouldn’t expect the very smart Los Angeles front office to make, especially when they have two more years of control at less than $10 million to move him.

    Also, the questions about the starting rotation really are a little overblown at this point. Maeda has proven to be a good number two starter, and McCarthy has come back looking strong in his first two starts. Norris’s deal with the devil still hasn’t expired, and Kazmir is locked into the rotation.

    Assuming that Kershaw comes back before the end of July, the Dodgers still should be at or near the top of the Wild Card race at the stretch run, and the rotation will be stuffed yet again, with no room for whichever of Norris, McCarthy, or Ryu doesn’t have their act together. And that’s without even really talking about Urias, who has demonstrated he deserves an extended shot, even if he’s unlikely to get it in a wild card race.

    Honestly, I don’t expect Puig to get moved during the season. The Dodgers may not like Puig. They may want him gone. But dealing him now without getting a truly dominant player in return is simply too close to the Dodgers cutting off their nose to spite their face. There simply isn’t another outfielder on the roster, or perhaps on the market, with the ability to make the leap Puig can.

    And while Rosenthal is probably right that they’ll entertain offers, those offers simply aren’t likely to provide enough return. The Braves aren’t going to trade Julio Teheran and the Rays aren’t going to trade Chris Archer. And guys like Sonny Gray and Hector Santiago are a step below what it should take to pry a guy with Puig’s ceiling away. The kind of ace the Dodgers would crave simply isn’t on the market right now, and is unlikely to be before the offseason.
     
  5. Bluezoo

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    A rehash of everything everybody alteady knew, but odd in the description of the starting rotation being
    "almost comically banged up"...where's the joke, Mike?
     
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    I wonder if Odorizzi would be in the Sonny Gray Hector Santiago category? I would not mind keeping Puig, I think we just need to get past the injuries. We were not patient with Jason Werth and once we let him go he healed up and has been mashing ever since. Puig is cheap enough I think we hang on to him till we got a shot at someone like Fernandez.
     
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    Stupid simple response: if it makes us better, sure. If not, no.
     
  8. rube

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    I played my role, but for the record i do not want Kemp back.
    But all the hate over Puig is retarded. He is our best OF offensively and defensively and folks want him gone.
    I would like Ryan Braun to play LF though, i dont give two shits about his roid issues and what not.
    Plus he's a former MVP ;)
     
  9. rube

    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    Some people feel getting rid of Puig makes us better.
    Regardless of what we get back.
    Those people are retarded.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    simple, yes
    but not stupid at all imo
     
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    Simple is hard.
     
  12. BlueMouse

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    Puig is currently a 1.0 WAR player with uncertain "potential". Basically, a prospect. If he's the key to a trade for legit, game-changing, major-league talent then that trade needs to be explored.
     
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    Real simple.
    This 1 war prospect as you say is viewed as a low risk high reward player by other organizations.
    A possible impact player.
    Some orgs woukd pay through the nose just for his work in the field and have less problems with his hitting production.
    But they all know that the dodgers are over a barrel with him.
    And will not give back an equal talent because they know the dodgers are in a tough spot and that fans are pushing for a trade.
    GMs know that our FO can get away with selling Puig for pennies on the dollar without fan reprisals.
    So they will play hardball with the dodgers waiting for Puig to be offered to them so they can have the upper hand in negotiations.

    I believe the only way we can trade Puig is if we agree to a shitty deal.
    And for many fans that will be just fine.
     
  14. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    not necessarily
    depends on what he does between now and 7/31
    if he gets hot, then contending teams will give up a lot more to get someone they believe could be a difference maker
    especially if there are other suitors interested
    supply and demand
    but if he stinks it up then not so much
     
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    Except we are also one of those contending teams.
    Those teams arent looking to give up an asset that can currently help.
    Unless its not really an asset.
    We are in the market for an OF as it is and other teams would have all the leverage in the world knowing we want to move an asset we need.
    Its so anti sound business practices to be sellers to buyers when we are also the same type of buyers. Essentially giving a vote of no confidence to our own asset in the eyes of buyers.
    Its a lose lose bet. Its betting against yourself.
    Better bet is to just ride Puigs contract out and hope joc or trayce are proven by then and verdugo and other kids are up and ballin.
    Then just let puig sign elsewhere and allocate the money to a different need.
     
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    WAR huh good gawd y'all, what is it good for absolutely nothing, sorry song pops into my head when I see that stat. I'm in the don't trade camp not a surprise to everyone. While I like Dre, there's not way anyone can say for certain that he's the same player as last year. Didn't get any younger while on the D/L. SVS is a platoon player and not even a good one anymore, Kike was a surprise to begin with and we can't be certain he will contribute again. Trayce has yet to re-adjust to the way he's being pitched too and Joc is a 3 outcome player, HR, K or walk. The kids aren't ready so why even entertain this idea seems ludicrous to me. A's won't give up Gray and Rays won't give up Archer, those are the only 2 pitchers out there who would be a huge upgrade to our current staff.
     
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    Anyway we can get Giancarlo? Local boy right?

    Trade Puig whatever.... looks like Stanton can provide the pop we need.

    Then get SP help, a legitimate #2 SP and we are set.

    BP help, especially an 8th inning guy, would be gravy.
     
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    Utley/Corey/Braun/Adrian/Turner/Joc/Howie/Yas >>> Utley/Corey/Turner/Adrian/Howie/Joc/Yas/Puig

    And that's really all there is to it.
    Just replace Puig with Braun.
     
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    Your post is all speculation really. I believe Puig's name is only out there as an enticing chip to bring back top, elite talent. Speculation on my part as well, but the FO hasn't shown they'll trade players like Puig for cents on the dollar.

    And if a contender is interested in Puig, like Irish mentioned as a possibility, then a 3rd or 4th team could be brought in to make sure everyone gets what they want. Our FO feeds off overly complicated trades.
     
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    Yes, he's a local boy. His Twitter handle is @Giancarlo818

    The problem is the Marlins are very much in the playoff picture (tied for #2 WC), plus Stanton is still in the cheap part of his contract. It's the Marlins, so it feels like anything is possible, but highly doubtful this year.
     
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