MLB 2020-2021 OFF-SEASON NEWS AND RUMORS

Love Cey. Mentioned him a couple weeks ago. The clear winner between he and Turner when it comes to defense @ 3B. Offensively, Turner's the clear winner of the two. Only 2 hitters in MLB history were better than prime Turner at the plate when all the chips were down - Ruth and Gherig. That's probably noteworthy. Turner can also say that he's never been traded by the Dodgers. As we know, Cey was shipped out to the Cubbies. Never even an inkling of a trade rumor regarding the Dodgers trading Turner

That said, LAD doesn't have a set criteria for retiring numbers. But if I had to come up with one really quick that'd be in Turner's favor it'd be - he was the heart of the team that ended a 30+ year WS title drought. That'd probably get everyone's support. And it's also fair to have representatives for this era of success....and as much as Kershaw has choked in the postseason while Turner was hard at work chopping wood and carrying the team during those times, Turner's #10 should go up. Cey's #10....he had his chance and obviously the verdict has been in for a while now

 

BTW,

Player A = DJ Lemahieu
Player B = Frankie Lindor

 

Other than Gilliam (an emotional decision because he died during the Series) all other Dodger retired numbers were HOFers. Lakers have a similar policy.

Wills and Fernando are two I can think that are worthy of having their numbers retired for their place in the history of the Dodgers.

 

Yea Lakers haven't made any emotional exceptions....maybe one day for KCP given how he stepped up in a tragic year. j/k

On the money with Gilliam and as long as the Dodgers make emotional exceptions I would propose the end of a 30+ year WS title drought. Seems significant enough to celebrate the best of the group and Turner represents it well. 34 is basically already retired anyway as nobody's worn that since Fernando. Same should be said of 10, whether they wanna link Turner and Cey together..whether they wanna have an official ceremony or just leave it untouched as with Fernando

 

that they didn't like the way he ran?

 

What message was sent to Cey when Turner was able to get #10 on arrival? Fernando's 34 has been unavailable since leaving and he's not in the hall....how does Cey feel about the club's safekeeping of Fernando's #? What was the message to Cey when he was traded to the Cubs? I mean I love Cey too, but you're beating a dead horse here. His dream is dead. Doesn't mean Turner's has to die too

Cey accomplished a ton to be sure and was definitely durable. He just wasn't a better hitter than Turner. And 3B, historically, is an offensive position. So I lean towards the better hitter if I'm picking between the two. Turner proved he could handle himself well enough defensively in his prime

 

Slide 10 right in there. No name, so Cey can imagine it's his

 

not even a question

 

Cey, in my world, achieved superstar status with his courageous performance in "Q", as an LA detective.
And my dog, now that he's 15+, walks the way he ran...

 

Criteria's already been loosened and Cey still waits. Team's already made multiple exceptions. He's just not 34. And again, I loved Cey too. There's just really only one argument that can be made for Cey over Turner. Durability. And to that I'd say that regardless of his health related issues over the years, Turner's always been ready to go when it's mattered most. He only gets to the stage and performs better than roughly 99.9999999999999999% of the hitters that have ever played in the postseason, so it hasn't been a big deal for him.

Not to say that durability and long runs aren't noteworthy or impressive..they are, but the peak of a player also lends a sizable word....which some fans have to be reminded when they look past Koufax because he didn't run up the numbers for 15-20 years or notch 300+ wins, etc. That's a counter to your " numbers make it a non-debate " cop out. Now, getting past simple counting stats....Turner's still one of the very best hitters the Dodger org has ever employed. Snider's really the only clear cut guy that swung the stick better than Justin Turner. Robinson obviously did well for himself, but we also know that he wasn't very good against postseason pitching....ditto for Reg Smith and Piazza. Obviously Sheff was a great hitter, but not a single postseason AB for Sheff with LAD, so hard to have him out ahead of Turner. Piazza and Sheff were likely on the juice anyway, so whatever to them. Guerrero? Really good, but outside of his big '81 WS showing, we know that he was below average in the postseason for the most part. Manny's quick stint was a hell of a watch, but shameful in the end. Kemp? Simple and quick, nah.

At the end of the day peak Justin Turner's arguably the 2nd best hitter the Dodgers have ever had to offer. Sounds weird coming out, but this is not a club with a hoard of all-time great sluggers like the Yanks. Hate'em, but it is what it is. NYY's top 4 hitters are all out ahead of our #1 guy Snider. Could probably mix in a couple pre-1930's Dodger bums with Snider and Turner, but I'd side with Turner over those dudes too. And if you consider that Snider played the majority of his career in Brooklyn, Turner may actually be the king of - Los Angeles - Dodger hitting. Certainly being in the postseason conversation with Ruth and Gherig is a good indicator that Turner's not to be taken lightly on the historical side. Given the company he's keeping there, and how those are a couple of AL/Yankee icons, it's fair to ask - is Justin Turner the best postseason hitter in National League baseball history? They'll be within their right to celebrate Turner when it's all over. You'll be somewhere boo'ing..you and Cey. Lol Would be nice to stop whoring the 10 jersey around. 15 different guys have worn 10 since Cey left. Fifteen. If Cey wants to be mad about anything, he can be mad that 15 different guys have worn 10 since he was shipped out to make room for Guerrero @ 3B

 

I don’t know this for sure, but my guess is Justin Turner wears #10 because of Cey.

 

Terribly unreasonable assumption to make....not really but felt like the flavor to go with given all the fuss. Na, but if that's the case Turner would probably have some kind words for Cey in the event that the club were to cease making 10 available, and he'd probably ask Cey to be part of it. And in turn, Cey could thank Turner. Seems like the sort of gesture that a Justin Turner would make. Anyway back to the actual point of all this....don't wanna see Turner playing anywhere else and may as well add onto that while we're at it - don't wanna see anyone else wearing 10 beyond Turner. Really simple stuff at the top of a list of demands. Wouldn't care if Turner signed the ole Magic Johnson contract....$1M per year for 25 years. Turner, stay

What's more concerning for me is the 25 year/$25 BILLION dollar contract that Boras wants for Seager one year after he was available in trade discussions. Definitely more concerned with the SS position given the lack of proven depth behind injury prone Seager..given his average to below average defense and how his next contract could stretch beyond the title winning window