did you want hamilton on the dodgers?

did you want josh hamilton signing with the dodgers?
why or why not?

 

yes because all we have is question marks in our outfield
if we werent going after him it should have been bourne imo
if kemp and crawfuck were healthy all we would have is one guy who only hits right handers to worry about

 

Yes because he is currently one of the best hitters in the game.

 

Yes, but we have Crawford.

 

Nope, fuck him... He's an Angel...

 

No, he's overrated

 

Greinke probably is too.

But a #2 starter was a necessity and Hamilton would've been a luxury.

If we didn't have Crawford I'd definitely take him on the 5 year deal. His defense isn't anything to write home about and his percentage of swinging at balls out of the zone seems to keep going up but he can still hit the crap out of the ball.

It's fun to call great players overrated but he's still a great player.

And for the record I hope he stinks for Anaheim.

But just as easily as Hamilton can plummet, so can Gonzalez, who was probably never as good anyways.

 

A lot wrong with this one tbh

Greinke, to be worth his contract, will have to contribute a little over 4 wins a year in the beginning and a little under 4 in the last few years to be worth his contract. According to fWAR, he's been worth 5.1, 4.0, 5.1, 9.3, 4.9 the past 5 years. If he pitches the next 5 like he did those last 5, even if you adjust the outlier and say he's a 4-5 win pitcher, he's worth his money.

Hamilton needs to be worth 5 wins a season. Past 5 years he's been worth 4.4, 4.1, 8.4, 1.4, 4.1. He's probably more realistically the player he's been the past two years, with a little deflation for park effects, so let's say 4 wins.

He's also 2 years older than Greinke, and has a notable history of drug abuse.

Obviously, no one can predict the future, but I have a much easier time seeing Greinke giving the Dodgers 29 wins over the next 7 seasons than Hamilton giving the Angels 25 over the next 5.

As for the Gonzalez/Hamilton comp, Hamilton had one unreal season, but Gonzalez has had the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best seasons between the two, and has been much more consistent throughout his entire career.

In short, Hamilton is probably one of the most overrated players in the game, and I'd bet a ton of money he won't be worth that contract.

 

No, didn't want Hamilton. I think he is a GREAT player, but not at a position of need.

 

Overpaid, too old, drug use risk, PED risk, mental case, Not something we really needed, misses too many games per year IMO.

 

Not talking to you anymore lmao. Thanks for being 'honest' though.If it wasn't for the first condescending sentence, I'm down with it. Might've "liked" it. I can take new information in even if I disagree a bit. But it always starts w/ a passive aggressive or "(buzz) Wrong" declaration. Not down with it.

 

There are a few 'tests' you run when you evaluate if a deal is worth it and Hamilton is probably trending on the "probably not" side, but he's not difinitively on that side of the line. There is quite the chance the Angels do get their return, whether he is overrated or not. I see him hitting. Will he surpass Hunters abnormally productive year last year? Perhaps not. The wins may be marginal. They probably should've paid for a great need instead of a luxury.

Hamilton wasn't a fit for us. Even if Crawford and every cent he's owed didn't exist...I'd probably take the deal Bourn took from the Indians and move Kemp to RF, Dre to LF, and Bourn would obviously play center and lead off.

But if we had a lead off hitter and didn't already acquire middle of the order bats, I wouldn't shy too far away from the 5 year contract he got.

 

what he said...

 

I wouldn't have gave him 5/100, and he got 5/125. So I disagree, I think he got extremely overpaid.

And he's an elite home run hitter. He's not an elite hitter though. There's 20+ guys who's offensive production I'd take over his going forwards. The guy is 40th in overall WAR the past 2 seasons, and that was while he played in the Smallpark in Arlington.

 

I would've EASILY taken him for 5/$100. That is only $15M more than Ethier over 5 years. All things equal, had we not locked Ethier up, that would be a no brainer for me.

BTW, since when did WAR become the end all stat for everything? And who says that fWAR is better than rWAR? That's not here nor there, I just think there is much more to it than WAR. You can see something that no stat can take into account.

For example, if you have Hamilton at the plate, the opposing pitcher is scared. The manager may walk him. A mistake can be deadly. Ethier, not so much.

 

And I wouldn't have. I'll take analytics over "the other manager might walk him maybe" when analyzing a player.

And to your second point, I wasn't using WAR as an end all argument, I was using it to approximate how much they've been worth over the past few seasons, which is it's most effective use. Greinke, who you dislike and we all know, has been worth more than Hamilton over the past 2, 3, 4+ years, is younger, isn't a recovering drug addict, didn't have a significant decline in the second half of last season, and didn't play in a park extremely catered to his skill type. Pretty obvious if you're picking between the two, IMO at least.

 

We will agree to disagree.

Hamilton's WAR is 15.3 over the last three seasons
Greinke's WAR is 7.9 over the last three seasons

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hamiljo03.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml

Hamilton isn't a paranoid weirdo, isn't a maverick and loner, is a great team guy and doesn't have social anxiety. Ohhh, and he makes $47M less with a year less of obligation. Not saying we needed Hamilton or I wanted him, but well, you know...