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Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by bestlakersfan, Jul 29, 2012.

  1. BigDaddyKaine

    BigDaddyKaine DSP Legend

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    Dre really does have a HORRID contract. Dude is just so not worth it.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    lol, All the Chad hatred is now transferring to Ethier huh? In a down year, still top 5 in WAR in Right Field

    and if you hate WAR, top 7 in OPS+ in Right Field. With good defense.

    I get that maybe you expected him to be way better for whichever reason but he'd make 85 million dollars in the free market, and he's a good option on our team. We are better with him for 85 million then without him for it cause guess what? If we didn't spend that 85 million on him that 85 million cause to someone inferior or identical to him (or its pocketed and we see Jerry Sands everyday)

    Really, if you feel the need to dislike a Dodger or if you really want to dislike him fine just it's weird to me to hate him so much when there really arent many RFs better than him, and there isnt a huge alternative much better, if better at all. Gotta put things into context.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    but wtv, he is struggling a bit and I'd like to see him hit more XBHs. Just easy to say you hate it without realizing he isn't bad by any means.

    Here is what I think is the reason Ethier gets hatred, and maybe Kemp/Hanley too sometimes: They carry our offense from positions that don't always carry offense, and sometimes you can't realize that. They get paid a lot, but really, a 1B/LF should be damn good on your team cause thats the way it goes. Ethier moving from RF to 1B loses value cause he's a top RF in the game but at 1B everyone hits like if not better than him. Which is why it all goes down to having a shitty 1B ruins everything. If you put Hanley at 1B he's actually pretty meh, but at SS/3B he is so valuable. Ethier in RF is damn valuable, but yeah he's not going to be a top 10 hitter in baseball or wtv you want, but he hits/plays D well for his position which is valuable.
     
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    We can say alot about why Jerry Sands isn't playing but are we missing his service time? He is only 24 years old. Went to a small college (Catawba) and may be a beast one day and we want him to be a beast for us. We don't want there to become a time when he walks before maturing because we scewed up his service time early on. He went to the same college my son went to for awhile and grew up down the road from where I live. Give him time.
     
  5. THINKBLUE

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    I have never wanted to revoke the contract. I have gone on record thousands of times saying we had to give Ethier the money because he is too valuable to us to risk losing him. Does that sound like hate? I am fine with the contract. So get that "everyone hates him" idea out of your mind. Biggest generalizations ever.

    Me wanting to move Dre to 1B is a testament to him. When he is right there is nobody else I want at the plate a lot of the time. We need another big bat and none of the available ones are 1Bman. They are OFers.

    As far as the taking Dres contract comment, there are less than a handful of teams out there that would take his 85 in a trade, when there are guys at face value who put up similar numbers for far less money. I am fine with the contract because he is so important to OUR team and we can afford it. Not every team would feel the same way. Dre's deal was a fit for US.

    BigDaddy is the only one that has been hard core ripping into Andre (I'm sure he is fine with me saying that). So quit saying everyone hates him.

    I get pissed at Dre when he gets out with runners on or strikes out on ball 4 against lefties. But do I say get rid him? In the words of Living Legend, nah son.

    This team crumbles without Dre. He is too valuable to the Dodgers.
     
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    Yes and how many of them would have been free agents this year? We can't compare what Dre is getting paid to players under contract already but to what would have been the going market rate this off season for players with his stats.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Word, son. Understood. (I'm fully expecting an 0-5 from Ethier with 3 double plays, a triple play, and a K with the bases loaded and then 2 errors in the field today.)
     
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    I'm not talking about the Dodger perspective. I'm fine with our situation. I really do not think there are many teams that currently would take his contract in a trade. Maybe the Red Sox?
     
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    You are right at his current level of performance we would have to send money but that is true of so many players available in a trade not under team control, signed to long term deals as free agents.
     
  10. BigDaddyKaine

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    I don't see how you could say all the Chad hatred has shifted to Dre when it's pretty clearly mainly me that has ripped him. It's not that I think the dude is a bad player I just am incredibly frustrated with his performance right now and projecting his future performance as only getting worse. Which makes me even more frustrated which leads to more pissed off Andre comments.

    Also, if we were to sign Hamilton and moved Dre to 1st how would Dre's offense stack up against other 1st baseman?
     
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    I don't think it matters how it stacks up against others at his position when the reason for moving him is adding an MVP bat.
     
  12. BigDaddyKaine

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    I don't think it matters in terms of adding another bat in the OF or not. I'm just curious if we could do better than Ethier at 1B, no hidden agenda in that comment. just curious
     
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    probably better to have someone who's played the position a bit
     
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    Come on Irish. Nothing ST can't handle. Carlos Lee and Juan Rivera play 1B for crying out loud.
     
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    So is Loney messsing with us again?
     
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    Yes.

    A few randomly placed HRs won't save him.
     
  17. TuborgP

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    No but it will probably get him a contract elsewhere and if he continues this pace he could be one of the top free agents in a weak field. If he has a typical end of the season run he could be the best 1st base free agent in a weak pool.
     
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    As long as it isn't here I could care less.
     
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    Just remember thats the way Marlin fans felt about Hanley.
     
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    Hanley = elite talent (and everybody knew it)
    Loney = Not
     

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