PADRES How trading Kemp saved the Dodgers

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  1. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    i'll look for the preseason padres thread
    but in the meantime...
    :koolaid::argue::koolaid::tuborg::koolaid::kickpadres::koolaid:

    How the Matt Kemp trade saved the Dodgers season
    by Eric Schaal | CheatSheet Sports — June 16, 2015

    When news hit that L.A. traded Matt Kemp to San Diego for a low-profile catcher and minor leaguers, critics considered the move a salary dump at best and highway robbery at worst. Many wondered why MLB’s biggest spender would ever consider it. As we approach the halfway point of the 2015 season, it’s clear L.A.’s front office wanted space for its budding star in center fielder as much as it wanted an upgrade at catcher. Considering the contributions of Yasmani Grandal and Joc Pederson alongside Kemp’s performance in San Diego, the trade has saved the Dodgers season thus far.
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    SELLING KEMP HIGH
    It’s likely GM Andrew Friedman saw the offseason as an opportunity to sell Kemp’s services at their peak. Though the Dodgers are paying about $6 million per year of Kemp’s salary to San Diego through 2019, the outfielder was turning 30 and had struggled to play a full season for several years. Coming off a bounce-back season for L.A., Friedman made a move that brought a better catcher from San Diego in Grandal and an internal upgrade at center in Pederson while Kemp’s stock was high. (L.A. also flipped a prospect to acquire Howie Kendrick to play second.)

    Critics of the deal — including Fox’s Ken Rosenthal — immediately dubbed the deal “one of the most inspired moves in [Padres] club history” and said on the Dodgers’ end it would be “almost impossible for them to justify this trade in the narrow view.” It hasn’t worked out that way.

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    Through his first 64 games for the Padres, Kemp has been terrible, hitting .249 with 13 doubles, 2 HR, and a putrid .629 OPS. His performance in the outfield has been just as bad. The totals reveal a player with a negative value when measured against a replacement (-0.2 WAR). But his contribution for San Diego does not require any advanced stats: Kemp’s struggles in both side of the game are plain for any fan to see.

    On the Dodgers’ end, one could argue Grandal’s contribution (7 HR, 22 RBI, .840 OPS in 47 games) was worth a one-for-one trade for Kemp, but when you add in the Joc Pederson impact the deal is an enormous win-win for the organization.
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    THE JOC PEDERSON ERA
    The 2015 MLB season has featured blazing performances by Bryce Harper and Mike Trout (among others), but it is difficult for anyone to compete with the Joc Pederson highlight reel this season. The 23-year-old center fielder can be seen pounding the baseball (17 HR, .929 OPS through 62 games) or robbing opposing players of hits on what seems like a nightly basis. Already, Pederson has posted a 2.9 WAR for the Dodgers.

    With Yasiel Puig out for much of the season and Carl Crawford checking in with his usual slate of injuries, L.A. has leaned heavily on its rookie outfielder, and he has responded in every facet of the game. Criticized for his high strikeout totals, Pederson is actually leading the team in walks as well as home runs and trails only Adrian Gonzalez in OPS.

    Prior to the trade, Kemp was expected to play with Crawford, Puig, and Andre Ethier around him in the outfield. On the topic of playing time and internal grumbling, L.A. would have had the usual round of clubhouse problems in addition to its troubles with two starting pitchers out for the year. Calls for Don Mattingly’s head would probably be coming with more frequency than they had in the past years. With that recipe, it’s doubtful L.A. would have made it to first place on June 15. (By contrast, San Diego fired manager Bud Black just before this article went to press.)

    Instead, the front office got rid of Kemp (and $15 million of his annual salary) while getting a hitting catcher in his place, not to mention an everyday second baseman. But these contributions pale compared to what it has allowed Joc Pederson to do for the team. Whatever happens from here on out — and the Dodgers continue to have problems — the Matt Kemp deal has saved L.A.’s season to date.

    Stats, current as of June 15, are courtesy of Baseball Reference.​
     
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    I was not fully happy with this trade because my preference was to get rid of CC/Ethier. I was liked Grandal, but didn't realize how much I'd appreciate him.

    I was wrong on this and the FO did a GREAT job; BRAVO!
     
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    AJ Preller was PWND.
     
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    KOUFAX0000 DSP Legend Damned

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    KOUFAX0000 DSP Legend Damned

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    Not really...

    :kickpadres:
     
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    At the time, I was like... that is all we got? Guess it's why I'm posting on some message board. :Tuborg:
     
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    Same, I was not satisfied with the trade. I was wrong.
     
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    I went to the Padre game today...
    And although Kemp did hit a home run today, it was like watching little league with him out there in right field. He turned a couple singles into a triple and a double for the A's.
     
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    i'm more interested in the sequel at this point.." how trading Juan Uribe and Jimmy Rollins saved the Dodgers "
     
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    It all worked out famously, so far. There's no denying that. But the part about "the Dodgers being saved", regardless of this trade, is what I don't get.
    We're saved? You mean, we're there in the series? It's a done deal?
    Fucking awesome....
    Or are we shooting for the tedious "elite" status because we can't get any further into the post as usual?...
    Actually, when you think about it, getting into it, and then dismissed roundly by the Cardinals, (the cyber cheating cocksuckers), is what is just enough to keep Donnie around.
    In some ways, if we aren't going to the promised land, let's wind up in the cellar; maybe that will force a move.
     
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    "How firing Don Mattingly saved the Dodgers"
     
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    Man, if only they backed this up by giving us a capable rotation.
     
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    yeah, man..what the hell are the Dodgers gonna do with the 4th ranked staff in all of MLB?
     
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    It is coming...
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    don't look now
    but the padres just inadvertently improved their outfield defense
    come on, jump aboard! :koolaid::tuborg::koolaid:

    Wil Myers To Undergo Left Wrist Surgery
    By Steve Adams [June 17, 2015 at 7:57pm CDT]

    Padres outfielder Wil Myers will undergo surgery to remove a bone spur from his left wrist tomorrow, writes Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union Tribune. It will likely be at least eight weeks before Myers is able to resume baseball activities, Lin adds, which seems to suggest that Myers could be sidelined through the end of August.

    It’s been an injury plagued season for the 24-year-old Myers, who joined the Padres in a three-team trade that sent Joe Ross and Trea Turner to the Nationals while also sending Steven Souza, Burch Smith, Rene Rivera, Jake Bauers and Travis Ott to the Rays. Myers was tasked with playing center field despite not carrying a strong reputation even as a corner outfielder, and the results weren’t pretty, from a defensive standpoint (-9 DRS, -57 UZR/150 in 260 innings).

    Myers, however, was acquired more for his bat than his glove, and he didn’t disappoint in that regard. In 159 plate appearances with the Padres this season, Myers has batted .277/.322/.459 with five homers, 10 doubles and a triple. When weighting that line to account for his home park, Myers has been about 22 percent above the league average (per wRC+ and OPS+).

    Myers has missed significant time in both 2014 and 2015 with injuries to each of his wrists. A sprain and a fracture in his right wrist led to separate DL stints for Myers last season, and he’s been troubled by both inflammation and tendinitis in his left wrist this season — the same wrist that will now put him on the shelf for another two months or more. According to Lin, Myers has played through this bone spur since middle school, but it became increasingly problematic this year when a tendon near his pinkie finger became inflamed.

    In Myers’ absence, the Padres will likely use a combination of Will Venable and Melvin Upton Jr. in center field, with Justin Upton and Matt Kemp handling corner outfield duties. The loss of Myers hurts the lineup, though it does allow interim manager Pat Murphy an avenue to insert a much-needed left-handed bat — Venable — into his lineup with regularity. Venable is hitting a strong .273/.331/.453 against righties this season and owns a lifetime .257/.322/.430 slash when holding the platoon advantage.

    Myers did start five games at first base this season, so it shouldn’t be completely ruled out that hyper-aggressive GM A.J. Preller could pursue a trade for a center fielder, then use Myers at first base if he’s able to return in a timely fashion. Doing so could theoretically displace Yonder Alonso, where he’s enjoyed a .319/.406/.420 start to his season. Much of that is owed a to a .359 BABIP, however, as Alonso still offers little power, especially relative to his first base peers.​
     
  17. chris

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    Not exactly sure what some of you expect the Dodgers to do... If we establish a super team that eclipses the Mariners 2001 win total of 116 so what? Cool, right? But we want a championship. That Mariners team got beat by a team with 21 less wins in the Championship series. Been there, done that.

    The only thing that the front office can do is limit the volatility of the roster... They're doing that by "trying" to create depth of average to superstar players at every position which you can sure say they have in the OF and IF. Pitching is debatable with injuries and questionable signings, but there's still time to do that at the deadline.

    My point is, they can get rid of an aging, injury prone outfielder for a could-be all-star Catcher. They can trade for Cueto and Chapman. Olivera can turn into Miguel Cabrera.

    And they could still get swept in the first round. Baseball doesn't make sense sometimes (in every even year, apparently) but it's important to realize that sometimes you can do everything right and still lose.

    /End random rant
     
  18. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    well said
    and there's a reason wild card teams have done so well... they get hot at the right time
    all you have to do is survive the regular season, make the playoffs... and from then on it's a crapshoot
    sure you want to go in with the best team possible, but that's still no guarantee
    the last time we won, no one expected us to
     
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    Funnily enough everyone still remembers the 2001 Mariners. It's not a World Series, but I hear more about their team than the 2001 D-Backs. It's still a legacy, and people can reflect on how they were the best team that year by far. A statement can still be made without winning it all, Kershaw in regular season will be remembered by Dodger fans forever, MVP and CY? But he sucks absolute postseason dick, guys a fucking choking wankstain but can't pitch a lick when it matters. He will still have a great legacy, without probably ever winning it all. He's still entertained the hell out of me.

    What I'm saying is we should still try to be a 116 win team. Every team should. We will probably lose to the Cardinals. But it will be a fuckload more exciting than scraping in with 94 wins and a wild card and still losing to the Cards. I like what the F.O has done, this Kemp trade was amazing. Doesn't change the fact that they took a gamble on the rotation and lost. We have the highest payroll in baseball history, we could have opened the check book to go with our more effective salary dumps. We didn't, and the only thing not making it so bad is a career minor leaguer named Bolsinger who's luck will eventually run out.
     
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    Kershaw's post-season greatness will commense this October!! Mark my mother fucking words in this mother fucking thread!!! :mad:

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