Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by Dodgers99, Oct 28, 2018.
If you are wary of re-signing Ryu, would you pay up to sign Gerrit Cole instead?
Nope. Give me Ryu on a 3 year, high AAV, loaded with incentives and a vesting option or two over Cole on a 7 year deal that's going to push $200M.
Ryu will take a discount to stay.
I have a feeling he does not want to go to another team.
Doubt they sign Cole. He's looking at at least $180M and this is after they passed on dealing for him. Didn't value him highly enough back then to get a trade done, doubt they'll value him to the tune of $180M+ a year later.
However, who gives LAD the best chance to win a WS..Ryu or Cole? It's Cole. It's generally always the power arm. And thus, we again will likely see LAD take the half-assed measure and overpay Ryu for maybe a little over a 1/3 of what Cole gets
Based on the history of our FO, I would be shocked if they go after Cole. Ryu has worked himself into a nice little payday, but based on age and injury history he will be the easy bargain of the two. I'd say Ryu will clearly be the target of this FO, but he might actually be too good and too sought after for us. Hopefully they calculate in the extra Korea money and lock him down.
I don’t think Ryu will be on any hurry to leave
why would he take a discount to stay on a perennial runner-up?
what ifwhen the astros and yankees come knocking?
the chance to actually win a ws, plus he can have korean food ubered in via plane with the extra millions they'll throw at him
Agree totally. Might be one of the fatal flaws of the LAD FO ( ownership) and the fans, to some degree, is that once an LA Dodger, no player could possibly even think about going to another team.
Laughable, considering recent histories.
Perhaps equally a flaw, are players who have expressed a desire to play in LA ( generational players), and the organization didn't even kick the tires on them.
As successful as they are, as elite as they are, blah, blah, the ultimate bottom line results 30+ years puts the team in some really mediocre company.
Ryu might be like most humans and desire to be part of a WS winning team.
Couldn't blame him.
I share your desire to see management do what's necessary to end the championship drought, but clearly, you and I value Harper differently. You quote his OPS numbers as if they're elite. I look at league-wide rankings, and there are currently 51 players who have a higher OPS than him (all with the qualifying number of ABs). Or how about WAR? Harper currently ranks 92nd in MLB in WAR. Sure, a player can be more impactful right now on the Dodgers in front of Belli than on the Phillies - I just don't think Harper is that guy. Certainly not worth mortgaging 13 years over. Don't kid yourself - the primary reason he's getting 330 million is to get people in the stadium, and the Dodgers are doing okay in that category - just ask Stan.
For none of those reasons.
For his demeanor.
so by his demeanor you can tell he'll take millions less to play for a poorer team?
Kim Jung Un has you in his sights.
We'll be lucky if we end up with Arrieta or Hamels
Nor does it matter where Harper ranks league-wide. I quoted his OPS numbers because of what they could mean and how they could fit these Dodgers and said that much. The consistency he could provide at the top in comparison to Joc and Pollock..the fact that Harper would be LAD's only star talent in his prime.
Know very well what's more important to this ownership group..I'm actually the guy who posted Kasten's words from that " attendance " presser when it happened. Mortgaging the future as they continue to dominate attendance and perhaps win multiple WS titles would be a disaster. 13 years is a big deal to you..wonder if the Dodgers will have won 1 title over the next 13 years..we shall see. They've given fans so much confidence over the last 30 years. Yeah, we had multiple guys here @ DSP drawing up 14 year proposals during Harper's FA decision..that's how much we care about that.
so Rich Hill will be coming back to the bp
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Yeah because he'll be in his age 29 season (turns 30 in Sept) and he isn't going to all of a sudden lose his spin rate etc. Why not both though lol. The case for Cole would be that he's a local kid who went to UCLA so coming home would be something he could probably love to do. Just saying. I love Ryu and this stretch of health has shown how good he can be but can we count this continuing for 3 more years let's say. Shorter term the better for Ryu but of course that's up to him.
Kershaw 2 years - $31 M AAV
Maeda 4 yrs - $3.125 M AAV
Stripling 3 yrs -1st time Arb
Buehler 5-6 yrs? - Pre Arb
Urias 4 yrs - Pre Arb
Gonsolin 6+ yrs - Pre Arb
May 6+ yrs - Pre Arb
Santana 6+ yrs - Pre Arb - Could be getting moved to pen full time
Non 4o Man Pitchers w/ 2020 Potential
So an untouched opening day rotation would likely look like
With Stripling in a swing role to start the year and Gonsolin in AAA. That makes the club VERY thin from an impact starting pitching standpoint if just one of the front 4 goes down for an extended amount of time. There is a REALLY low projection from Cots of $104.292 committed for 2020 when realistically if you dive deeper, that number is closer to 130M with no trades as there are going to be some raises handed out. With that $130M figure, that makes it $78M under the tax to work with. Positions of need going into next season will be none. With the OF being the most realistic target to improve where as the free agent market at the position is straight garbage. So a guy like Pederson could be an intriguing target for teams, Pollock as well if the team really does pursue Rendon, which would likely mean Muncy learning another new position(LF).
To me, this really lines up to the club making at least one move for a starting pitcher in the offseason and would not be shocked if it is Ryu. He was supposedly weighing whether or not to go back to Korea in the offseason if the Dodgers did not want to sign him as he is said to be uninterested from moving from the west coast. Something else to watch is if the club prefers a shorter contract of 2 year with a SUPER high AAV so that they can play into all that room they will have after 2021. There are a lot of eyes on that with the club as they have used that as the cutoff year for a lot of major contracts. It seems like the right thing to do in terms of age for those guys, but still has caused eyebrows to raise. Like it has been said on here, realistically it is hard to see the FO go after Cole as long term contracts for pitchers RARELY if ever pay off.
Small sample sizes I know, but just who the fuck knows how to go about getting pen arms anymore? Everyone railed against the FO about not doing anything (myself included) and look at the results so far. The Braves trio of Melancon, Greene and Martin have been fucking brutal, Kimbrel was bad before going on the IL, Dyson made two bad starts then went to the IL, Diekman has stayed "meh" and then we all know how the offseason moves over the last couple years have looked. These were all moves heralded as smart and in the Braves case, damn near brilliant... then you have the fucking Pirates asking for 2 Top 15 MLB prospects for a reliever. It was an insane ask then, but as you continue to step back and look at the whole picture, relievers are just volatile pieces that while important are not worth insane returns. Buying and trading for these arms is not the ideal route, so hopefully our development team can start to churn out some interesting BP arms with everything else they are bringing to the table these days.
The way too early look at the playoff rotation and bullpen does make things look a bit more interesting, even dare I say intriguing? Just thinking about it and there is definitely potential for this to be the DEEPEST bullpen of the last 3 runs. It matches up with what has beaten us the last two years. A team with a scuffling bullpen, has nowhere else to turn so it goes to converting starters to relievers. Only difference is the Dodgers have more impact arms to use than those teams had going into it.
5 Game / 7 Game Series Rotation
Ryu / Buehler
Buehler / Ryu
Kershaw / Kershaw
May / May
LOOGY Kolarek/Ferguson/Gonzalez *if necessary*
MR Sadler/ Floro *if necessary*
CL *shudders* Jansen
This setup would give the Dodgers starters 5 innings to get through the order potentially twice, or keep going. A barrage of multi inning guys that have never been there before in this run that could get us through the middle innings. Closing the door will always be the most difficult task in a playoff game, especially with the waning Jansen. Still, someone mentioned the other day that the Dodgers arms with how they could mix and match would potentially be a very dangerous playoff matchup. They could do soft tossing lefties(Kershaw, Ryu) and piggyback them with the power of Gonsolin. Then go hard throwing righties (May, Buehler) and offset that with the finesse of Hill and then ratchet it back up again with Kelly or Urias. When looking at our arms and the playoffs, I really think we are going to have a different bullpen than we have seen in other years, and that could be a good thing.
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