What's the sense of even bothering taking a chance with Kershaw and Jansen, since they have nagging, recurring injuries? And if Kemp is supposed to be so hurting, let him sit the rest out. The 50/50 man is now the 4 for 42 man-do we miss anything if he heals sitting on the bench? We need more little ground balls? Bring up some kids from the minors and let them pitch...move Victorino over to CF, every bit as good as Kemp there anyway, and go with that team. WTF is the difference? We don't know how to win anymore...it's a done deal .Let them join Bills and Lilly. In fact shut down Belisario, before his fucking arm falls completely off. Let these guys heal and let's not take a chance...save them for the aforementioned, upcoming championship 2013 season!!! That's when it all happens , right?? Or do I have it wrong? Oh and shut down Ned Colletti, too, permanently. Let him walk, unless he already resigned and I missed it. probably. just my tuppence; I know he's money on being back. And send Hanley Ramirez to fucking SS school or some shit, because as I have posted before, to echo and paraphrase Pedro Guerrero, when asked what are you thinking when the ball is hit on the ground, he said "I hope it's hit to someone else". Me too. That could be another Hanley error that allows the other team to beat us by one run, like the other night. But the Cards are probably not done scoring off HR Capuano...lots more belt high 0-2 pitches to throw.
Kemp is pretty useless. He needs to sit and try to get healthy for the playoffs if we can get there. He is horrid. Kershaw and Kenley need to pitch. You cannot just give up on the season. Kemp sitting would be for everyone's best interest. He cannot do anything.
How do you think Kershaw will take it heading into his second to last year under contract if you shut him down when he feels like he could go out and pitch?
That's the problem...worrying how they all will feel when the team comes first and someone might think you're not "a good guy". How will they feel if CK's nagging hip becomes a DL type injury next season....like a 6o day stint? Or worse, needs actual surgery? then what, with this pitching staff they've got here, and Bills facing a possible sit down year in 2013? Without CK healthy, our rotation may be the worst, or next to worst, overall, in the NLW next season. Believe it now or forget it later. Pitchers are notoriously fucking idiots, even cum laude graduates like Capuano, who can't seem to figure out that after an 0-2 count, a ball out of the k zone, not down Broadway belt high, is the thing to do. CK won't admit he's injured. And how will Jansen feel if he's dead from heart failure? Pretty shitty, I would imagine. You may say that's overkill, but the Dodgers recent medical histories, IMO anyway, have been absolutely deplorable. Sure everybody's fine-doing great. Like Schmidt and Jones...and Bills and Lilly. Let 'em all play; Kemp, too. Never have enough ground balls and medium flys. Tough shit, you tell him. It'd for the good of the team, not your fucking ego. That's what these managers and FO get paid for. Is this hip something that doesn't exist? Or is the start of a potentially BIG problem? It's there, bigger than shit, like Bills' elbow and Lilly's shoulder. OK...trot him out there for some more...just an idea I feel is best. All the other Dodger approaches to playing this game are working so well-let's stick with 'em. "If it ain't broke , don't fix it", they say. But aren't we fucking broke like a mofo? I guess not. . The thing that is scary with Kemp is when he does hit it, it's not like the power hitter he used to be. It's a dribbler or "warning track" power fly at best...something he never did before. That's the thing I'm looking at, not the horrid slump. Well, both.
this is where Mattingly is lacking it's the manager's job to tell (not ask) the players what they're going to do Jansen: no sense in rushing him back Kemp: he isn't only hurting, he's hurting the team Kershaw: I don't know if he should be completely shut down, but a pitch and/or inning limit would be prudent and like BZ said, if they doesn't like it, tough shit the manager has to do what's best for the team
^its not Dons job to shut down players, that's the job of the GM and his medical staff, FYI As far as what I think, I think Kemp needs to get healthy cause he's not. And needs to learn what he should and shouldn't do. Jansen is not getting rushed, he came back as slow as possible... Cleared by several doctors. Kershaw is a hip problem, nothing arm related which is good but the doctors have a lot more info than us and hopefully he can pitch fine with it.
totally disagree the GMs job is to get the players the manager's job is to put together the best lineup on the field and I don't care if the medical staff gives the players 100% clearance it's still the manager's call... hence the term manager and oh yeah, FYI
Haha I wasn't saying FYI to be snarky or anything my bad but the managers decision making does not include stuff like this, well sitting or not sitting Kemp might be his call but to shut down a player is not the Managers job. Look at the Strasburg ordeal, davey Johnson was just the messenger but rizzo and medical staff was who decided what to do. The GMs job goes further then we think, he really does decide who gets shut down or not. No manager is an expert in the medical field and neither is Ned, but Ned will get more info from other outlets and decide how a players success will be moving forward better than Don cause well, hopefully a team GM knows that better than the manager. But if there is bad news, Donnie has to be the bearer of bad news, lucky for him lol. Anyways, I just hope Kershaw gets that hip calmed down and that the blood thinners worked for jansen. Kemp is a mess, nothing can save him for this season.
Yeah, I agree with doyer. Kemp I would look into shutting down. I'd give him the weekend, maybe one or two games next week, and if he can't turn it around I'd shut him down. Jansen has a heart condition, which is something I know literally nothing about, so I'll go with the trainers there. Kershaw I absolutely wouldn't shut down.
my bad bubba I was fucking with you but forgot to add the next to the fyi strasburg might be a bad example because the Nats view him as such a demigod savior I just think managers, in general, have a bit more say than you might think of course that varies organization by organization, and who knows what DBB's powers/limitations are I agree with you on the medical decisions if a player is ailing but no one else feels the team better than the manager, the GM/med staff aren't on the field fuck, idk...
it's a tough decision to shut anyone down at this point. While we may see the playoffs out of reach, the team doesn't. How do you shut down anyone when you're one game out of the wild card? With the new pitchers up, maybe spot start someone in front of Kershaw if and only if his hip is becoming a problem. Other than that, there's no point. If it's the last week of the season and there's not shot in hell at making the playoffs, sit them, if not, you have to at least try and make the playoffs.
Jansens case is life threatening so shutting him down makes sense. They have already said that if there even is a miniscule chance that Kersh would be hurt by continuing that they would shut him down. Kemp is a whole other thread discussion but if he is hurt I would hope he would do what's best for the team.
I don't think he realizes what a liability he's become... especially since the rest of the team isn't playing much better
Since no one posted it, from Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times: Something to keep in mind: Hernandez seems to look at things at the worst possible outcome.
