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If the Dodgers could acquire one player at the deadline, who would you prefer?

  1. Machado

    43.5%
  2. Front line starter (degrom, thor, et al)

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  1. doyerfan

    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Yeah he’s up for good Id bet
     
  2. BlueMouse

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    Without looking at the recent numbers, I remember looking a month ago and figuring we could make a run at Machado this year if we shed some payroll by trading Grandal or Ryu. I wonder if the Dodgers would be willing to move Grandal, with the way he has played they could probably get a piece in return that would help us stomach what would be a significant loss in a Machado trade.

    Personally, I think if the plan is to pursue Machado in the offseason, trading for him this year would make a lot of sense even if we fall short of the playoffs.
     
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    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    Picking him and Britton would ease the loss of Grandal.
    Matt Kemp and Grandal would be huge for their lineup and give them some semblance of the star power they crave.
     
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    If Machado is saying he doesn't want leave, why is it bullshit?
     
  5. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    o's have the leverage and can ask for the moon, stars and sky
    no urgency for them to make a deal
    and for all we know that ckunt angelos could pull the plug any time just to be a douche and flex his muscles
    guggenheim had thought/hoped they could skate through to the post this year and leave all the tough(er) decisions on kersh/harper/manny et al until the offseason
    and in all seriousness they did a great job getting under the salary cap and should be applauded for that...
    but being fiscally responsible won't win you very many ws titles
    so the nerds need to decide what this organization/team is going to be for the foreseeable future -- and again, much sooner than they had hoped
    i'm not opposed to machado, i just don't think he adds that many wins (regardless of war) to make a difference
    we're too decimated by injuries and lack of performance from some key guys
    just my 2 cents

    edit: ^add now ryu to the walking wounded
     
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    Getting under the threshold = apples
    Getting ( not) who is needed to win it all = oranges
    Apples+ oranges = a fermenting pile of shit.
     
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    Losing Seager to injury and trading Grandal in a Machado deal is basically breaking even, imo. At least in terms of WAR
     
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    It's not the O's leverage that concerns me in a Machado deal. In theory, they have decent leverage right now, and as the trade deadline approaches their leverage should get progressively smaller. The real concern is that I don't think the O's understand (or care) about leverage, and they could easily just not trade Machado and lose him to free agency for nothing.
     
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    If you lose Seager and still break even, isn't that a win? I'm really just not sure if a Machado deal works out without shedding payroll somewhere else. Maybe it's possible to move Kemp with a bunch of prospects going with him?

    Grandal would seem the path of least resistence. Everyone wants to sell high and buy low, until it comes time to actually do it.
     
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    Manny gets a QO for sure, so they'd get comp
    Just ultimately, Manny needs to be traded so he avoids that QO this offseason
    Having to give up additonal comp could maybe complicate a FA chase
     
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    Leverage is that he is about to leave them in FA and they don't want it to to be to the RedSox or Yankees.

    Puig, Forsythe, Baez, Hill + Brock Stewart, Mitchell White, Kyle Farmer, Edwin Rios
    For Manny and Britton

    WS Roster

    RF: Verdugo
    SS: Machado
    3B: Turner
    1B: Bellinger
    LF: Kemp
    CF: Joc/Toles
    2B: Taylor/Kike
    C : Grandal/Barnes
    DH: Seager/Utley


    What did we really sacrifice?
     
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    I understand that. And you understand that. But I wouldn't count on the O's understanding that.
     
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    They will pretend not to understand.
    BTW, every one of those 8 players I mentioned in trade would start or have key roles in the orioles roster.
    Hill and Stewart would go into the rotation right away.
    Mitchell White is all but ready and he could either be a starter or a closer on this team, depending on his stamina issues.
    Baez might get a shot at being one of those hard-throwing 3.00 ERA closers
    Puig would upgrade in RF next to Adam Jones and Mancini in the OF.
    Edwin Rios is an upgrade to Danny Valencia at 3B.
    Kyle Farmer runs circles around their catchers.

    The Orioles are so bad that we could throw a lineups worth of what we consider fringe MLB/AAAA players at them and they would become a much better team overnight.
     
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    We're gonna need Hill, so...
     
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    We can't count on Hill so...
    And even when we can count on him we can't count on Dave to let him pitch.
    And even when we can count on Dave to let him pitch we can't count on him letting him pitch more than a literal handful of innings.
    At this point it might be better to get out of Hill's contract so we don't have to keep being afraid of the tax every time we want to go get a FA.
    Cole Hamels should not be expensive in a trade. He can replace Hill.
    And he could be part of the Utley coaching staff to take over as Pitching coach in a few years.
    Plus he's also from LA.
     
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    lol
     
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    Buwahahaha...
    Hill...needing and getting something from this guy are miles apart.
     
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    Hill and his stupid finger/nail issues is not reliable. That curveball becomes batting practice if something is wrong with his fingers.
     
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    I personally really like Hill as a pitcher and his finger issues should be a thing of the past.
    Right now Dave is being super tentative with him and using him shitty.
    We would be much better if Dave just rode these fuckers hard until they break or they show they can be tough.
    Hill wants to tough shit out but Dave wont allow it.
    Like robbing him of that no hitter.
     
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    I say blow it up. Sell grandal, kershaw, puig, kemp, foreskin, hill et al ... collect pieces... have the worst record in baseball and get pics. Do it right!

    Full tank
     
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