GAME THREAD Arizona Diamondbacks vs Los Angeles Dodgers (June 8th - 10th)

Lee hasn't decided if he's going to retire. But they got Teh Tin Man so they'll be OK.

 

I couldn't give 2 shits what the Dodgers spend, but that's an unrealistic way to think just because some fan wants all the players for all of the dollars. My thing is that Shields isn't that good and had McCarthy stayed healthy this year, he most likely would've at least had better peripherals than Shields. We decided to take McCarthy and Anderson over Shields; and this wouldn't even be a debate had McCarthy's elbow not blown up (which was unpredictable btw).

 

I can't wait for this guy.

 

That's really not the bottom line because that's kind of a silly question. All 30 MLB rotations would probably be better with Shields. But who's to say that we don't end up with Cueto or another elite pitcher later this year? It's only June; this team will look different come August.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Doyer mentioned this to BLF (which he continues to ignore), but had we signed Shields in December when we signed McCarthy and Anderson, he was commanding $100MM+. The Padres signed him in February for what was considered "low". Again, Shields isn't worth the money.

 

Some old fucker said you might be.

 

Which would have been a complete fucking waste given the state of our offense. The best bull pen in the world can't win a game if the offense doesn't score.

 

It's not a silly question because it was in response to all the comments about Shields is too costly, is not good enough, etc.

That's to me a silly set of requirements because our SP is hurting and is not one that will intimidate any potential playoff team, or one that shows strength during the stretch part of the season.

Hell I'd had Cueto and Shields if possible. Get Zimmerman while you're at it. But my issue is with Sheilds. Given our current rotation and no guarantees Ryu will come back anywhere close to his original form, we need a Sheilds if we want any shot at winning this year or next. I don't care about 3 or 4 years down the road. There will be other FA pitchers coming available and there is no salary cap in baseball.

 

Oh and no guarantees Greinke re-signs either.

 

Any rotation led by Kershaw and Greinke is one to be feared, especially in the postseason. I know it hasn't worked out for us but a person is a fool if they don't believe that. My problem is that it seems like you guys think that these people can predict the future. Everyone thought Ryu would bounce back, so not only did they sign McCarthy, they also signed Anderson as a precautionary. We have Beachy coming back on the horizon and this team will absolutely make a trade for another starter.

Kershaw/Greinke/Insert July 31st Pitcher/Anderson/Beachy

Right now it sucks because Frias isn't good and Bolsinger isn't ideal, but even then, we can't bitch THAT much about Bolsinger in the rotation because he's pitched well.

 

I get what you're saying about not knowing about the injury and I completely agree.

So that I'm clear, I'm saying I'd sign Shields regardless of the injury and think we'd be better. You are saying they wouldn't be. We good?

Now let's go kick the shit out of these turds.

 

again, like i said, has Shields turned over a new leaf as a post season performer or he is the same old cock sucker that was out there last October? it'd be interesting to see a 34 year old recreate and improve his post season career..i don't see it happening, though.

i mean sorry, Stone Cold, but " get Shields " mustn't be the bottom line. with all the complaining about a starting rotation that had the 3rd ranked ERA in the NL last week, i'll bet there's more than just Shields on your list.

as far as getting to the post season goes..allow Olivera to take his place and perhaps Seager and Pablo Hernandez to take their places before you frame this current team as the " 2015 Dodgers ". Cueto is out there as well and July is around the corner. you know..Cueto would help us get to the post season as well..and he doesn't have a long drawn out history of suckin cock in the post season like Shields does. i'm not even gonna start in on Shields' ability to beat Brett Anderson out for #3 status and get the nod for post season starts..Anderson is 27 years old..if he's healthy, start him in Game 3 based on upside alone.

 

I think he wanted to stay back east anyway and pitch in the AL because I believe he took less money but don't hold me to that and I believe he wanted to close and e have Kenley. Girardi may be over using the guy but time will tell.

 

He got hurt. You're completely ignoring the fact that no one knew he was going to get hurt and the fact that Shields got almost double what McCarthy got. You're using his injury to be right in this argument you're constructing, and you're still somehow wrong.

 

It is up to management. He wants to be here for sure. Give him the years.

 

Let's not cry over spilt milk. I'd rather have the combination of Cueto/Zimmerman myself and those guys are younger than Shields.

 

money over years, homie. throw another 3 or 4 mill at him annually, but if he asks for more years..all bets are off..and they should be.

 

McCarthy and Anderson both came with substantial risk. If Anderson doesn't go down, he's going to run out of gas by seasons end. Unforeseen elbow injury or not, penning in both McCarthy and Andrerson was a calculated risk, one that's most likely not going to work out. I would prefer the Shields deal plus the "gamble" on one of those two. Singing both and depending on both was folly and you guys know it.

Not as if these guys are Monday quarterbacking it either. Look back at the threads when we signed them (especially McCarthy) the same thoughts resonated.

 

"I was being ironical"