FEDIT POLITICS Thread

my ex is from Sri Lanka and my kid is half so they are dark skinned and on the last trip w flew Ethiopian airlines (yeah i know but it was great actually). Upon landing in Dublin the crew and people/security must have asked 3 times if she was sure was getting off in the right place because the plane continues to Africa. We just laughed it off. And yes, they vetted her/us for almost an hour. It was frustrating but thats their laws.
We need to have laws and I have no problem w vetting people to make sure.
I used to talk about it with my bro in law, who at first glance you would think was from the middle east. He had no problem w it either and said it was sort of a sad fact of life that you can't wish away.
I was once boarding a plane that flew out of Colombo in Tokyo and was basically strip searched
I was surrounded by mostly Indian and middle eastern people and was one of the few whites there
It was clearly a show for all the people boarding that there was no profiling going on and I just went through it and kept my mouth shut
I am for vetting people coming in from countries rife w terrorists more stringently
Our safety should be paramount and like it or not this isn't workplace violence taking place
Its orchestrated within the communities and believe it a LOT more people know whats going on in regards to terrorism and just say nothing because a good muslim never speaks ill of another muslim
It is HIS relationship w allah, or hypocrisy like most all religion is
Even if its 2% of the population thats a lot of people and needs to be paid close attention to
Especially since the actual terrorists have a habit of taking out innocents instead of leaders
I prefer my family and friends have an extra insulator against those who would murder us don't you?
As far as why Pakistan and Saudis aren't on that list, that was my first question as well
Clearly the order has flaws and its not a ban no matter how you interpret it but it makes for good outrage

 

exactly but that only makes it worse since they are also the most dangerous
if trump was intent on safety they have to be included in the extreme vetting

 

no one seems to want to mention the fact that NONE of the arab countries will take in refugees or allow them to travel within their borders...

 

Ah, but we have to be the beacon of hope for their tired, their poor, their huddled masses yearning to breathe free...

You also mean when Obama paused the Iraqi immigrant program for 6 months, 6 years ago?

Where was the faux outrage then?

 

I just read the order this morning. I don't know if this answers your question but the only nation mentioned by name is Syria. All nations affected by the executive order are referred to as "countries of concern", a list of six nations named in a 2016 law signed by President Obama concerning immigration Visas. So the selective outrage concerns me.

 

I appreciate the responses from you @THINKBLUE and @LAdiablo , and I was asking sincerely the reasoning for the chosen countries.

As far as the drone strikes, the most disturbing thing no matter the administration is the use of executive order, which (regardless of number of orders) should be used with great discretion. If I'm being honest, I don't know enough about all the details of Obama's military use to say definitively one way or the other - probably my bad. And I know this raises the question of why people are active now, which is a good point. Perhaps the increase in political involvement and activism, which should be considered good no matter what your side, will be Trump's legacy?

As far as executive order, my belief is it should should be used for emergencies (an extremely subjective qualification, but one that should be made in good faith). In the case of the current immigration ban, I still don't see the emergency connected with it. I was actually surprised in the last day to learn of the long vetting process already in place from these countries, although not surprising based on the actual threats that the US has faced through immigration from these countries in the past 15 years - basically none. Based on Trump's campaign, I thought the vetting process was somewhat relaxed, which it definitely is not from these countries. I'm not against vetting, and I am not against finding a balance between welcoming new people and domestic safety.

 

For better or for worse, we do. Or at least we should aspire to.

Obama's immigration ban was in response to a specific domestic terror threat. Trump's immigration ban was in response to a campaign promise. Whether you agree or disagree, there are differences in the two. Where is the kudos for Obama for the lack of domestic terror events from immigrants while he was in office?

 

Somewhere hidden in San Bernardino, The Cascade Mall, Ft Hood, Orlando or Boston, perhaps?

Look, Just like I don't believe for a second that taking guns from law abiding citizens will prevent violent crimes I don't think blocking every Muslim immigrant is the right way to do this either but something different needs to be done. Look at Sweden and what's happening in France and the UK. Taking in tens of thousands of these people with just a look, people who are coming from war torn countries with hate for the west ingrained in their psyches, practically since birth is like flooding the streets of South Central with AK47's. Certainly everyone who lives there is not a gangster, but it wouldn't make matters any better.

 

What's for dinner?

 

None of those attacks were carried out by people who immigrated to the US, unless I am mistaken. And that's kind of the point, there are real threats out there that can be addressed, but the current immigration policy has been working. It's worth review, like anything, but Trump basically trashed one policy that was working.

FWIW, while I'm a Democrat, I lean right on gun control. I don't own guns, but I'm not going to tell others who are responsible gun owners that they can't.

 

the San Bernardino fiancee was here on a K1 visa.
i do appreciate the fact that we, at least imo, talk to each other and not at each other
i know we don't see things the same a lot of the time but its civilized
the thing about the executive orders i agree on and obama took it to the next level w reid
the fact that their own short sighted viewpoint came back to bite them is as old as the hills
pendulum is always going to swing back and these days it happens at lightning speed
the former admin was outside the law and constitution in implementing their will
at the same time i am in agreement this order is dubious
our alliances are making it look like a sham especially when you consider the origin of the most devastating recent terrorist acts upon us
as flawed as it is i still think its a start and better than shipping in hundreds of thousands of "refugees" to our soil
again i just ask why it is that no other muslim nation in the region will accept them but we should?
these people represent real danger and just like any other country in the world it deserves a closer look

 

I appreciate @BlueMouse coming in with his viewpoint. Because he's actually questioning the effectiveness of specific policies. The media and these vial protesters aren't operating that way. They're 100 percent emotion. "He's hitler" "xenophobic" "racist" blah blah blah.

 

I try, man. Someone on here mentioned before that for the most part we all want the same things: to feel safe and to not be told what to do. The problem is when those things conflict, and these are the issues that commonly become hotly contested political views - because in the end we cannot have 100% of both.

 

pretty sure you know i know that but my point was imo it shouldn't be an excuse

 

It's also about respect. A lot of people on here absolutely deserve and receive mine.

 

those of us that just endured the last 8 years (whether or not every democrat was in heaven) raised our voices without reacting in the streets to every subject we disagreed with.
and there was nowhere near the amount of name calling and vile venomous attacks against him AND his family
thats daily w the left and the vitriol is unparalleled
its like the left is cheering itself on especially in the media and hollywood
i can only speak for myself but i've tuned it out as much as possible
fuck if you look at the headlines the world is ending and he will be impeached
imagine that in obamas first week