The Spring Training Thread

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  1. VRP

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    But so did Brien Taylor. And now he's in jail. Really makes ya think.
     
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    I think surgeries are becoming more and more advanced where these types of injuries are no longer career-enders. Just a look at Stephen Strasburg and TJ surgery or even AP and a torn ACL. (Sure the injury/surgery can plague a player but by no means is it as severe as it used to be)

    Chris Carpenter won a Cy Young after the same surgery as Kemp. Luke Scott had it last year and then had a .210 ISO (.228 career)
    Gonzalez had equal ISOs before and after the surgery and a raise in almost every offensive stat (park adjusted included)

    Brien Taylors injury was 20 years ago. However there can be cases made both ways with recent injuries. Whether a player will regain form after an injury is still, and always will be an unknown until proven on the field. In this case, I think he should be able to hit more than 25 (going off history of recent surgeries/him healing ahead of schedule.) But it isn't a stretch to say he'll be lucky to reach 25 either.
     
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    Carpenter actually won the Cy Young two years after his surgery. It ended Jason Schmidt's career. It's kept Michael Pineda out a year and now what looks to be two. Like you said, there are cases both ways. Kemp seems to have a great work ethic, so it's possible he AP's and doesn't skip a beat, but I'm not so sure.

    Also the Brien Taylor comment was clearly a joke.
     
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    I also noticed that the fantasy "experts" make their W-L projections for each team if you look at the pitching staffs.

    The NL Shakes out like this:

    1. Nats 98-64
    2. Reds 95-67
    3. Braves 95-67
    4. Dodgers 91-71
    5. Cardinals 90-72
    6. Giants 90-72
    7. Phillies 86-76
    8. D-Bags 83-79
    9. Pirates 81-81
    10. Brewers 79-83
    11. Cubs 75-87
    12. Padres 72-90
    13. Mets 71-91
    14. Marlins 61-101
    15. Rockies 59-103
     
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    I think we win 93+
     
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    so, theoretically...

    nl east
    nats 98-64
    braves 95-67
    phillies 86-76
    mets 71-91
    marlins 61-101

    nl central
    reds 95-67
    cardinals 90-72
    pirates 81-81
    brewers 79-83
    cubs 75-87

    nl west
    dodgers 91-71
    giants 90-72
    dbags 83-79
    padres 72-90
    rockies 59-103

    w/c - braves vs cards/giants
    nlds - nats vs w/c, dodgers vs reds
     
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    I'd say 95 or 96.
     
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    fwiw

    Kershaw could learn from Webb's story
    David Schoenfield | ESPN.com

    The other day, Jim Bowden wrote about the monster free agent class Insider following the 2014 season that right now includes Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez and Clayton Kershaw.

    However, while Verlander ($20 million each of the next two seasons) and Hernandez ($39.5 million over the next two seasons) have already cashed in, Kershaw is playing on the second year of a $19 million contract. Yes, not exactly pocket change, although more than enough to have Bob Feller suggest Kershaw may have been good enough to pitch for the '54 Indians -- out of the bullpen, of course.

    If there's a reason to suspect that Kershaw will never reach free agency, however, it's the announcement that former Cy Young winner Brandon Webb has retired at the age of 33. Like Kershaw, Webb was once one of the elite pitchers in the game, leading the majors in wins from 2005 to 2008 and winning the 2006 NL Cy Young Award and finishing second in the voting the next two seasons. Webb pitched just one game in 2009 but hurt his shoulder and despite repeated rehab and comeback attempts, never returned to the majors.

    It's easy to forget how good Webb was, since he pitched those years in relative obscurity in Arizona. Despite the respect in the Cy Young voting, he always seemed underrated. An eighth-round pick in 2000 out of Kentucky, Webb walked 119 batters his first full season, but learned to command his hard sinker. In his Cy Young season he walked just 50 batters.

    He pitched long enough to make $31 million in the majors and hopefully the Webb family is set for generations to come, but his injury shows how quickly the end can come for pitchers. Kershaw told the Los Angeles Times in late January that no long-term talks have taken place. "We'll see," Kershaw said. "I don't have any expectations."

    Kershaw's hip started bothering him late last season, although he said he felt fine his final two starts. Still, it's at least a small warning sign, maybe just another reason to cash in now. Considering the Dodgers signed Zack Greinke to a six-year, $147 million and Kershaw is the better pitcher, you can imagine a talks starting at the $150 million. Sure, Kershaw would gain a few more dollars on the open market -- if he gets there injury-free.

    As for Webb, he's just one of seven pitchers since 2000 to record at least three seasons of 6+ Baseball-Reference Wins Above Replacement.​

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    • ESPN.com’s Buster Olney points out that Bud Norris’ $3MM salary now leads the Astros. That’s less than the average MLB salary and what Zack Greinke will earn in three weeks, as Olney points out. It's possible the Astros will have a historically poor record. "What you question is, how bad can they be," an NL official told Olney.
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    Can you make a :hordingmoney: smiley?
     
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    Full list of Dodgers non-roster invitees for ST:

    RHP Juan Abreu
    LHP Kelvin De La Cruz
    RHP Greg Infante
    RHP Peter Moylan
    RHP Matt Palmer
    C Eliezer Alfonzo
    C Wilkin Castillo
    C Ramon Castro
    C Jesus Flores
    IF Alfredo Amezaga
    IF Brian Barden
    IF Nick Evans
    IF Omar Luna
    IF Ozzie Martinez
    IF Dallas McPherson
    OF Tony Gwynn Jr.
    OF Jeremy Moore
     
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    actually did a while ago... mcdouche
     
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    I'd think Moylan has the best shot to make the team, or maybe one of the catchers.
     
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    Right there with you. I also think if he struggles a bit, we do not let him go. He is recovering and was aces when healthy.
     
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    I agree. I'd maybe add Dallas as a wayyyyy long shot if he just crushes it and forces his way onto the team.
     
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    Hanley is too aggressive.
     
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    :suicide:
    • Juan Uribe, who was signed to be the starting third baseman two seasons ago but has struggled, could be a back-up corner infielder by default. There does not appear to be another obvious candidate to spell Adrian Gonzalez at first base or be a right-handed power bat off the bench.
     
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