WINTER MEETINGS Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. carolinabluedodger

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    I, on the other hand, hope it remains a mystery well into the regular season.
     
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    Obviously because Ryu is signed for millions and that is the opposite of Rays tradition. They are looking for young talent that they control cheap, prospects are their game.
     
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    Hell it's the only reason they are considering trading him in the first place.
     
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    jamie wright wtf
     
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    Not an ideal age, has been good for 3 years in a row, K rates rising, walk rates lowering, averaged around 68 innings.

    Risk in him just faltering and he's not a shiny option but (assuming it'd be low risk) theres value in the depth of it.
     
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    He's making ~6 million dollars a year for the next 5 years, there's no way they'd shy away from that for a player that's well worth it. You're over-exaggerating their strategy. The real reason is probably that it would leave a sour taste in Ryu's mouth and with the Korean market to deal a guy a year after signing him from overseas.
     
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    I've argued and presented facts elsewhere that show with our 4 we couldn't cover 3 spots based on last years performances.

    I don't think that the 4th OF is burning a hole in Ned's or Stan's pocket as much as it is the DSP hacks...
     
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    He hardly sucks. He's not a set up guy or anything but he's been valuable last 3 years, quality bullpen depth is never bad at a cheap price, and he's improved the past 3 years as well.

    I'm not gonna get bummed if we don't land him but it'd be cool to have him
     
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    Listening to Bowden tonight on XM, who has some ties within the organization. He had this to say about the Dodgers.

    - The Dodgers will absolutely move one of the 4 outfielders this off season. They are getting too many calls and some of the deals he is hearing could be very interesting to the club. He expects it to be Ethier that is moved, but heard Carl Crawford's name came up a good bit today from interested parties. He says they know that coming to camp with all 4 of these guys will cause major problems in the chemistry department.

    *This is kind of what I was feeling, all 4 of our outfielders have had their brushes with the dramatic. I know many on here believe we should keep all 4 to be on the safe side, but the truth is, management is not looking to pay 4 outfielders superstar money. It makes sense to move one now if they get something that is worthwhile. Even if one is hurt, it looks like they are trying to put the pieces together that would allow for this team to absorb a weak spot in the order if need be. Not to mention, the Dodgers don't have a problem with 4 OF's, it has now reached 5 as many scouts believe that Joc Pederson is or close to being ready to contribute at the major league level and that the team considers him our only untouchable prospect. Ben Badler believes he is a future all star and unlike players like Ethier, his struggles against lefties are something he should be able to overcome as many of his issues against LHP is bad luck.

    - He believes that the club has the most enticing offer for the Rays for David Price. He batted around the same names that everyone else has, but also mentioned the Pederson looks like an untouchable since he is likely our future CF.

    * This is looking to be more and more plausible. Everyone keeps saying that the M's have the best package, however a few major scouts have said teams are cooling on Walker as he no longer looks like the ace he was once projected to be. His lack of being able to locate his secondary stuff has teams worried. The Rays have some of the best eyes for talent in the game, so we shall see what interests them in the end. Apparently Dee Gordon in CF has drawn their attention in trade discussions, this would be interesting to say the least.
     
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    If we have a semi-interesting offer from Carl, take it in a heartbeat.
     
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    I dont even think trading an OF has a lot to do with chemistry and finances, it just isn't optimum to have all 4 of them IF (and thats the big if) one of them can be turned into an asset that helps somewhere else.

    I hear and understand 100% that we haven't had all 4 OFs healthy like ever so it's not really a problem. But if you truly believe moving forward that all 4 aren't going to be healthy all the time, then trade one of Kemp/Ethier/Carl when you get the chance, and use wtv savings you get to get a cheaper 4th OF who can come in (or use Joc if its a serious injury) and wtv else you save on that trade is a better asset.

    It worked out great last year mostly cause Kemp never played and Carl got hurt for a good stretch also. If you think it's gonna work out someway like that in 2014 also and that's your reason for keeping them, then why not move one of the players that you're banking on getting hurt? And if you think that team is going to be good with all 4 healthy, you're really just wasting one. If all 4 are healthy, Kemp/Puig are everyday players and Ethier can't switch off with Carl.
     
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    Great find man. Both of these are intriguing. Like I said, I won't believe it til I see it that they could move Carl. If they could find anything semi-appealing it'd LOVE it.

    As far as Price, they probably love 2 of Seager/Urias/Lee with some other pieces. That's steep as hell though
     
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    main point: If trading one of the OFs helps us even more in another position of need now and/or in the future (say SS, 3B, or Pitcher) then you gotta do it. If the offers are crap or simply salary relief they feel they don't need, then keep them and work it out.

    Management either believes:
    1) All 4 OFs will be relatively healthy, so it's not right to have all 4 as starters when you can trade one for something good
    or 2) All 4 won't always be healthy, so why not try to get rid of one of the ones that is the riskiest health wise to get some more stability elsewhere and get a good backup option for the OF (although Joc can probably be that backup option)
     
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    Colletti also was on one of the shows, and said he is looking for one more guy for the back end of the bullpen. Someone the club would have no issues coming in and pitching the 9th inning for a save situation. The club would prefer someone with recent closing experience and they would pay for the services(sounds like 7-8 mil would be around the top they would be willing to go). He cites the teams struggles to pull away during inter-division games and sometime the need of a save situation 4+ games in a row(Get your shit together League!).

    * I was in the car most of the day so I was listening to MLB Network on XM throughout.
     
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    I think they will trade Crawford or Ethier if they are confident Kemp is going to return to form. If they do move Kemp, there has to be some major red flags for doing so. A team backed away from Kemp today after seeing his medical records. No idea who that was, but that could be huge. We also have no clue what that team was planning on using him for. Could it have been a team that wants to use him in CF and the ankle issues show that he may not be long for the position?
    I also believe they are going to move an OF this year, because next year they will look to move who is left of the Crawford/Ethier duo. The market for OF's is shitacular next year and the club could probably get good value back in a deal. That is if Pederson is still around and does not fall off the wagon.
     
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    Yep. No specifics on return. But M's can eat more money than most clubs. @topherJmitchell: are you hearing any Kemp to Seattle buzz?

    This is from one of the Mariners reporters.
     
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