Kemp has torn Labrum, Kershaw doesn't need surgery.

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  1. chris

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    http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodge...yton-kershaw-surgery-20121003,0,5777321.story


     
  2. VRP

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    Oh boo hoo. Shouldn't have ran into that fucking wall idiot.
     
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    Not to mention use the same shoulder to try to run over a catcher (and fail)
     
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    Well there is the excuse for sucking with the bat in sept. I can't blame the guy for going hard and trying to make a play but I bet he doesn't do it again next season or in the near future.
     
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    Yea, much better to be a lazy fuck right? Not saying what he did was smart at all, but rather have the effort.
     
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    Yes, you can blame him. The positive result of that play (which he will never, EVER make) is not worth the more likely negative result, which happened. I'd rather he play smart than play "hard". Playing "hard" is often mistaken for playing stupid. It's something cool if Justin Sellers does it but for your top players to do it for nothing is really dumb.

    I hope he never does it again, but I doubt it. He already tried running over a catcher with his shoulder, dolt.
     
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    It's not black and white as being a lazy fuck or a "hard" player. It's fun for the fans to see that but really, when its all said and done, I'd rather watch Kemp with a healthy shoulder than run into walls on plays he never makes. You can be a hard effort type of player without having to run into shit on plays you are never going to make.

    To say you'd rather have the effort than the brains is weird to me, I'd rather have Hanley Ramirez over Justin Sellers a trillion times. That's a hyperbole since the talent favors Hanley, but I'm making a point that Justin Sellers plays super hard but it doesn't really matter because the benefits of playing hard are simply a few extra outs or runs, with the risk of being injured seriously. It is never, never worth it.

    Would you rather see Matt Barkley run head on to a hard running defensive back in order to gain 2 yards with the risk that he takes out his head or would you rather him simply run out of bounds and use his talent on the next play to do his thing?
     
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    Matt better hit 40 next year and win the MVP.
     
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    I disagree. How many times has kemp or any other outfielder for that matter run into a wall making a play on a ball? It happens. In his mind he can make that play and who's anyone to say no he won't and he should be smarter? I'm sure there are many things going on in his head when he's running full speed after a ball in the outfield. If he dove for a ball and fractured his wrist would you being saying the same thing?

    Obviously knowing the result of that play and the injury he got as a result its easy to say he should done this or done that. My point is considering what happened, he might be more cautious in the future and hopefully no one jumps on his case for "giving" up on a ball he "should" have caught.
     
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    Bobby Abreu avoided walls his entire career. Probably cost his team 1-2 runs a season, and he played 150 games 13 straight seasons.
     
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    lamar odom had this iirc

    but TBH could have been avoided if Victorino was in CF and Matt in LF/RF
     
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    Kemp looks to be having the exact same surgery I've had which is bad I think.
    I slightly(meaning it came out and popped back in when I moved it) dislocated my shoulder with a head first slide when I was 18ish playing softball. I then had a "loose" shoulder for a few years with popping and cracking sounds and an occasional pop out and back in of socket going on. I then really dislocated it in a judo match in my early 20's. really as in we couldn't get it back in the socket, and after a couple hours of the worst pain in my life, a doctor finally got it back in. After 6 months of therapy it still was never right and would pop out and in the socket all the time playing ball or even riding my waverunner.

    At work it continued to trouble me so I went a got surgery and it was just like what Matt is doing.
    Matt will probably be put under, they will go in Arthoscopic and take a look and try to repair it that way through the small holes. Short recovery time, 1-2 months IIRC. In my case, once in there they saw far too much damage so then they cut ya wide open and do their magic. The recovery for me was 6 months about. I hope it's shorter for him obviously...see below.

    As an athelete they will probably tighten and repair the labrum semi "lose" to give him more flexibilty so he can use it like before but there is more of a risk of reinjuring it. In my case, the doctor and I decided to go "tight" with it, which likely lengthens the recovery time because you have to really work it to stretch it back to something usable again. This also makes it nearly impossible to dislocate it again without a super severe incident. To this day, my shoulder is 100% stronger than it ever was and I hardly ever have anymore pain but I've lost some flexibility of it and it took me a long time to learn to swing the bat again effectively. I used to swing with some good power and now I've never been able to recover that power despite being stronger and bigger than I was prior to the injury. I'm sure Matt will recover better than I did and will have better help in doing so, but I wouldn't be to suprised if he losses some power unfortunetely.

    Lets hope this goes well.
     
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    agree with doyer
    there's a difference between playing hard and playing reckless
     
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    They are reporting it as: whether there is more damage than thought or not, he will be ready for ST. Hopefully he is able to be in shape.
     
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    hope its just a routine surgery. when he was healthy he had an ops of 1.300 and that was with just ethier behind him.
     
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    My kid just had this operation, and they told him that it will never be 100% again, and as he ages, he will have this problem and that. Tendency to pop out easily, pain, some decreased range of motion, and definite bouts with bursitis. His injury was serious; IDK compared to Kemp's.
    Not the greatest of prognosis, though.
    The Posey take out try was stupider than the wall. The wall was just a dopey guy not knowing WTF the warning track means...typical.
    But on the Posey thing, if you look at it closely, not only could he very possible have been SAFE if he went DOWN and slid to his right and crossed the plate with his left hand (Posey was way off to the left), Kemp slowed up just before he got near home to line up the hit on Posey. Totally uneccessary, and cost us a run probably, and jeopardized a reinjury. As it was, Napoleon Dynamite made it look totally easy.
    Kemps's a monster BB player, no doubt. But he's not being sent to a think tank any time soon.
    And please, whatever diety is listening, make him NOT get into a 50/50 braggadoccio type thing again. Please.
     
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    :eek::eek::eek::eek:
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseb...dodgers-kemp-surgery-20121006,0,7206351.story
     
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    If he's not at full strength, you don't play him until he is. No use losing Kemp again in the middle of the season.
     
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    Don't rush back....let your injury heal
     
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    This whole situation pisses me the fuck off.
     

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