DODGERS The MATTINGLY Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by SC_Ed, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. LAFord

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    These are opinions is what I'm saying. you may say something is a bad move, but that is an opinion. no matter how much you hate it, it's an opinion and opinions are debatable. Friends of mine that watch a lot of baseball I've talked to said that Uribe bunting was the right or smart move. I didn't like the move but these are opinions.
     
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    There have been studies that show the % of times a runner scores from 2nd with no outs is higher than from 3rd with 1 out.
     
  3. LAFord

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    Like I've already said, I would not of bunted there, especially with Uribe...but it's not the only time I've seen a manger make that kind of move, as bad as it is.
     
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    If these are key players grumbling about Mattingly returning as manager, I would guess it has not been decided yet whether or not he will return next season. I want Donnie gone just for his in game management, I'd like him to stay for the reason that I feel he is a really good clubhouse guy. If that is changing though, he absolutely needs to go. Last years Red Sox are a great example of what can happen if a team turns on its coach. The thing that scares me most is right now there are not many great managerial candidates.
     
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    I was simply debating your "it's an opinion" argument. It's a proven fact that bunting a runner over and giving up an out decreases your chances of scoring runs. Obviously sometimes it works and sometimes when you don't bunt the next guy hits into a double play, but statistically you should not bunt if you're trying to get a run late in games.
     
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    Dylan Hernandez (LAT) responds to the USA Today article:

    Now comes a report from USA Today’s Bob Nightengale with an indirect quote from a high-ranking Dodgers executive saying that Mattingly will get an extension. This follows up on The Times' report last Wednesday that the Dodgers are leaning toward bringing him back but would not focus on the contract until the end of the season.

    But stories referenced an identified team source, and unless that source is team President Stan Kasten, I’m not sure how much its worth.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodge...m_medium=twitter&dlvrit=1115922#axzz2hhy1HdYv
     
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    Well, I don't like his opinions.
     
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    I'd like to see what the % was that Uribe would hit a 2 run HR after being down 0-2 in the count the other day. I bet that was lower than getting that run in than sac bunt to 3B to start the AB. But it happened.

    Well besides the million or so factors(night/day, home/away, all the hitter's stats, all the runner's stats, all the pitcher's stats, all the fielder's stats, etc.) that would alter that % up or down, it's done all the time and has been forever, like many many other decisions.

    Point is there's no right or wrong...it still is an opinion in the endor what they call a hunch. The worst part of it is that if you were to present the exact % for that certain situation...or almost any situation, the % of difference would probably be so small we would laugh at it. Baseball as you've pointed out is not all about numbers when it's a post season or game by game basis. It's not a video game. The human factor is a big modifier of unknown proportions usually.
     
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    Honestly, nor do I more often than not.
     
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    The players get most (90+%) of the blame for losing imo but just because they have been completely inept so far doesnt mean we cannot fix the problem we have at manager.

    Donnie is a really bad manager and its not because of the results, it because the decisions he makes are moronic.

    If the Dodgers feel we can upgrade at the manager position then why not do it?
     
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    Most of you younger guys probably remember Torre, and maybe Tracy or Little. I know the guys my age remember a few more Dodger managers.

    I can honestly say, I've not agreed with most of the Dodger managers ever. Even Lasorda made very risky on field decisions...they just happened to work a lot. I'm sure as hell Gibby's pinch hit appearance in '88 was really a bad call percentage wise, the dude could hardly walk for Christ's sake...but it worked. I can also say I do not agree with most manager's I see if I'm really am paying attention to the other games/teams.

    I'll probably not agree with the next manager in L.A. and I would bet my house that there will be a lot of complaints no matter who the next guy is. My fear is that we get a manager that cannot control the personalities, the press, the egos, the clubhouse shit. This team has been awesome in that respect. This last article of players moaning about Mattingly is the first I've seen like it.
    I hope the next guy can do as good of job to this point because IMO, that is the biggest factor. I look at the Red Sox last season to this one as a great example. Hell even Torre to DBB...there isn't any obvious strife in this current clubhouse. There isn't any vets vs. rookies bullshit. that is priceless IMO.
     
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    This is where I disagree. Not with the bad decisions because he does make them, but that it makes him a really bad manager. Again, the other parts of managing are more important for me. A 1% difference of something isn't a big deal in the real world, why is it looked upon in a baseball game?

    And yes IF we can upgrade...fucking do it! That's a big IF.
     
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    I'm curious...how many here would like to have Bruce Bochy? How many think he is a great manager?

    I think he is and for me, 2 WS in 4 years says so. I just love reading the Giant's GT over on PSD and seeing how bad they rag on Bochy there. I mean from the starting lineup on those guys tear that man apart, much like most of you do here with "donny dumb dumb". A couple years ago I even started arguing with them in their GT against some other team...it was the year after the first WS win. They had already turned on him.

    I'll tell you one thing, being a manager would be a fucked up job if you gave a fuck what people say about you.
     
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    my issue with ellis was with him popping out with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs
    just a horrible at bat and approach
    in that situation you absolutely have to hit the ball to the outfield
    he was actually given a pitch he could elevate and failed miserably
     
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    Then why you gotta play Charmin to us deucing Donald?
     
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    mouse is so oc wigga gangsta :bigdaddy:
     
  18. LAFord

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    Because IMO most of it is way over the top and ignoring/overlooking the true nature of our loses, usually Puig, Agon, Ethier, not driving runs in when they are out there. Bad decisions are looked at as why we lose a game sometimes. To me most of these decisions are barely a factor in a loss and often have no bearing on the game whatsoever (like lifting Kershaw last game) or pinch running for AGon who has been garbage at bat anyway. It was an aggressive move to win the game that inning, I liked it or at the very least saw some reasoning behind it. But people went apeshit like it cost us the game. I'd blame Young more than Don. Young is supposed to be able to get a hit or at least a sca fly when called upon.
    Now at least we know Young is garbage also...next batter please.
     
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    Don't make me Capri Sun your ass, 'rish.
     
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    The Salton Sea would be more fitting. And it's out of LA
     

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