FEDIT POLITICS Thread

my daughter is a big Shapiro guy and i like him as well. Prager deserves and has had my respect for decades. We went to see D'Souza speak a month or so back and I think he deserves equal mention as a strong conservative voice with a strong use of factual history to make his points. Milo is a provocateur and a bomb throwing hellion of the highest order. but since when does the left have a problem w that?

 

Which I very clearly didn't say anything about, and then TAFNAC quoted me and claimed I said things I very clearly did not

 

if i went to a UC college i would never know because i couldn't hear him speak
his point on free speech on college campuses is more than accurate its spot on
and yeah i think a guy driving a giant bus with "dangerous faggot" on the side is pretty funny so fuck me

 

Larry Elder gets this treatment too.

"Uncle Tom" I think they call him? He is slandered, deligitimized, and silenced for being a Black man with the "nerve" to have an independent mind and conservative world view. For recognizing how the welfare state ruined the Black family...how BLM is a terrorist organization...how the data doesn't support the narratives of systemic racism. SILENCE THAT MAN!

I'm tired of this kind of thing being tolerated because it's so lopsided.

Identity politics, social justice, faux intillectualism, buzz words, safe spaces, etc all pushed by a far left biased media, acedamia, Hollywood, etc.

Over it.

 

you are going to have to fight it young brother
every prius on the road is your enemy lol
i know your dad is a good man

 

Got the first part right. Not sure I'm up for it, though.

Ironically, I drive a Prius.

My Dad has never uttered a word of politics. Ever. He is a good man. It'd be nice if the libs recognized how important having a father is.

 

can i tell you a deep truth?
you touched my life
i will always be your friend

 

The media needs to stop calling these people protestors

 

I respect the hell out of you. A great man, friend, father, worker, and entrepreneur. An American if there ever was one. Your heart and hospitality is unmatched. And yet it's people like you who are "deplorables" in the eyes of mainstream culture.

 

Plenty of conservatives drive Prius's. It's a tricky vehicle like that. You get that special lane sticker and save on gas. It just makes fiscal sense. I'm not even sure if they've been officially declared environment friendly because of the battery waste they will soon generate - maybe we should have a department of the federal govt to check that out?

As far as the protestors gone violent at UC Berkeley, I see no excuse for that. None. It's actually saddening to see. Protest is cool, violence is not.

I don't know much about Milo, looked him up right now. One thing that strikes me the wrong way is that he leverages liberal advancements of the past to say those things are now non-issues -- for example gay, black, women's rights which for the most part is pretty good (especially compared to non-western cultures) but only exist because of progressive movements of the past 200 years. His argument is seductive with slight illogical components that he may not even see... plus there's the whole culturally elitist thing. But whatever, troll should be able to speak.

Also, I used to listen to Dennis Prager when I was in college (late 90's). I disagreed with him 50% of the time, but never found his reasoning offensive or completely dumb. His radio show was good. When he went on vacation Gloria Allred would sit in for him, and she is a wackjob.

 

Ima preface this by saying I'm liberal asf

But these liberals need to chill sometimes. Events like these reflect so poorly on liberals and is basically why trump won.. niggas need to stop worrying about being so politically correct. It's basically bad branding and attracts negative attention and they still don't learn. It's like how a terrorist reflect bad on mooselems everywhere. Who TF care if some alt right ass niggas got shit to say or got dumb ass views on shit. Let him talk cause idgaf what he gonna say, it don't matter. Let these ultra conservative backward ass people bury their own cott damn selves

 

Straight up, I disagree. The "this is why Trump won" excuse is thrown around a lot but the facts are that Obama left office with a 60% approval rating and Trump walked in with a 36% approval rating. That's pretty telling. If a liberal without Hillary's baggage ran, they'd have handled Trump pretty easily. Hillary didn't excite voters at all, and that's the biggest mistake the democrats made in recent memory. The reason Trump won is because Hillary was a poor candidate and Trump struck a nerve with people that quite frankly, policy wise, it's at best unclear how his fiscal policies will help at all. I studied economics, but I'm not Ben Bernanke, so it remains a mystery to me how Blue Collar Joe in the Rust Belt benefits from tax breaks on the top 1%. Unless you believe in trickle down economics, which I don't believe many people do. Maybe. Who knows.

On the other hand, I think people like Milo and Tomi Lahren (not going to lump Alex Jones and Richard Spencer in with them but they're closer to them than they admit) is dangerous and giving them more and more klout is a bad idea. The "liberals are too politically correct" argument is bullshit in my mind. Not all opinions deserve equal consideration. If you believe BLM have done some things that reflect poorly on their movement, that can certainly be debated. If you believe the UC protest last night was extreme and ridiculous, I'd almost agree, and you'd have a good argument. But when Tomi Lahren equates BLM to the KKK, that's illegitimate and dangerous. A group founded upon peace and equality that has a few nuts that go too far is not equal to a group founded on the idea that one race is inherently inferior. The intention of BLM is equality the intention of the KKK is hatred. That's a significant difference.

 

You know i gotta bring the hot takes. Especially in such a serious thread

agreed on the first part. The DNC handling of the entire thing was terrible and they did a poor job on the ground to boost voter turnout. Any distaste of liberals would only have a marginal effect, if any.

But put more articulately, what I meant was that. . . regardless of what opinions we may hold, individuals such as Milo deserve the opportunity to express their free speech rights. Listening to and understanding views that may oppose our own is an important step in governance. Everyone criticizes this administration for limiting the speech of scientists and those that express dissent, yet here we are, essentially doing the same thing. I don't necessarily agree with the man but at the least we should let him speak, listen to him, and then engage him in conversation.

So while I do agree with you that this neo nazi rhetoric is absolutely dangerous and disgusting, I don't believe it's fair to prevent individuals from expressing themselves. It gets cloudy though because similar to how it's illegal to materially support terrorism (such as political advocacy) supporting these far right groups can influence domestic acts of terror/hate crimes. Should it be treated similarly? Not sure.

At this point I rather just let them talk and hope people are smart enough to see that it's absurd asf

 

Wow...tanto? Is the the Lone Ranger guy?
Chemo sob, eh?
I guess Jim Jones had the right idea after all.
And the comet is on it's way...

 

I'm going to copy and paste a Twitter thread that sums up my opinions very nicely

1/ Any random asshole has the right to schedule a speech anywhere that’s willing to host him.

2/ Any group of people have the right to go assemble in public places and protest about events that displease them.

3/ Any of the assembled protesters who break the law may end up suffering legal consequences.

4/ Some points of view that anger many thus may become expensive and difficult to present.

5/ In practice, fringe opinions - in particular those of the fringe right - have little trouble getting lots of broadcast exposure.

6/ Furthermore, certain extremist wastrels, mostly in it for the lulz and celebrity, might welcome the expense and difficulty…

7/ So, I personally would be disinclined to burn Berkeley to protest Milo.

8/ It’d be wildly inappropriate for government to get in the way of either him or of law-abiding protesters, however rude and nasty.

9/9 But there are no significant free-speech issues here... watch out for hurtling hypocrisy.

 

Essentially, if you're going to say things that are deeply troubling and offend the sheer existence of the majority of the country, you're going to be met with opposition. And I'm proud to live in a country that is strong enough to fight back against hatred.

 

Jim Jones the rapper? I don't think so...is he from Guyana? Does he rap about ritual suicide?
Actually, I did know about the "watchman" thing, as the Lone Ranger was a Texas Ranger in the beginning, but it wasnway before your time. I actually met Clayton Moore. Unfortunately, never met Jay Silverheels.
There was a thing going on about what Tonto meant too, but nothing definitive ever came of it.
One of the Apache bands however, like the Chiracua or White Mountain, or Mescalero, was the Tonto.

 

At the end of the day, I'm with you on this. And I support speaking out against hatred. Not breaking windows or becoming your own source of hate (gray area, I know), but I'm also proud to live in a country where people like Milo are considered douches.