Time to stop the Dee experiment

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  1. 4everblue

    4everblue DSP Regular

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    I know we have no other option, but he simply cant play at the ML level. He looks lost at the plate, swings at everything out of the zone, is not even bunting effectively and every grounder to him is a drama. Sure he runs, but that's not helpful if he cant get on base, and right now he looks frustrated.

    Send him out to AAA and let him get his swing ironed out...
     
    4everblue, May 17, 2012
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    His swing is way too big and looping with too many holes
    He should never, ever hit the ball in the air -- he should be a slap/slash hitter
    It looks like no one's ever taught him how to be a leadoff hitter
    We have one of the greatest resources, one of the greatest leadoff hitters of all time in Maury Wills
    Someone needs to pay him to work exclusively with Dee and teach him his ways
    And if Dee doesn't adapt or (worse) is unwilling to do so, let him languish in the minors
     
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    Doesn't your first sentence say it all? This is one of those Ned you dun screwed up moments big time.
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    True, but hopefully it's temporary
    When Hairston and Uribe return, Dee should be sent down
     
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    Disagree. He hit last year, showed awesome progress in ST, why would Ned think he would have to have more than Sellers as a backup plan. It's on Dee and only Dee.
     
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    Wait you are not understanding my point. I was responding to a statement that Dee needed to be sent down which was preceded by the statement there is no replacement.Remember the thread title is about stopping the Dee experiment. So what is the probability of him being sent down until one become available or identified? There were a number of articles in the off season about the risk the Dodgers were taking by staking so much on Dee. This is part of why I keep posting and talking about the total Dodger major league payroll and not just the 25 man roster payroll. Frank told Ned how much he had to spend and that included deferred salaries from previous years. Ned did what some would say was a decent job working with those constraints. He had to do multiple year contracts and give more the second year just to get folks signed. The burden is from his deferred payments from previous years. They limited our ability to build a roster for 2012. They should not be a limiting factor for 2013 as the new owners won't have the financial constraints.
     
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    I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying Ned is at fault for not having a better replacement SS?

    Where on the roster would a good replacement SS have gone? Who's spot would he have taken? There's only so many players on a team.
     
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    One of the problems with Dee is that he plays SS, in that if he's not in the lineup, we need someone at that position. So guys who can play competently, like Sellers, just put another weak spot in the lineup. There's Uribe, but then the 3b is Kennedy? Hiarston is OK there, but there's no guarantee either he or Uribe will stay off the DL...especially Uribe. If TGJ is his replacement, then somebody in the OF gotta go, scarificing power.
    I say during this "give it away" lineup period, try Herrera there. Why not? He might even work at leadoff, too.
    It's a bit of a 'damned if you do, and damned if you don't' situation.
     
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    Yes and yes.
     
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    He's proven he can hit at least adequately at the level, I think the best option is letting him iron it out.
     
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    He's proven that? I guess I missed it
     
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    Yes, you said it yourself!
    He hit really well last year in the last couple of months.
     
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    Hitting in for two months isn't proving he can hit. It's encouraging, but two months proves nothing.
     
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    It seems like there's two different arguments going on of some sort. One argument is that he shouldn't have been starting SS, leadoff hitter to begin the year, and the other is that he currently shouldn't be doing that.

    He definitely should have started at SS and leadoff hitter to start the year, because in his short time of playing he did little to force the club to look at altneratives. However, what he did do in his limited time should not be enough to convince the team that he'll quickly turn it around cause he has proven it for a long time. For example, if Ethier was struggling like this, you can stick with him for a long time because he has proven for a good amount of time he can hit major league pitching.

    I think step 2 with Dee is just moving him down in the order. Move him down in the order, and in the 7 hole Dee is still a better option than Sellers. Hopefully he starts hitting without being a leadoff hitter. Hey, maybe he's just pressing or something with some pressure. If after another month or so Dee is still not doing shit down there, then idk.
     
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    Hitting 300 for 2 months doesnt prove he'll ever be a 300 hitter, but it proves he's not totally hopeless. It's a glimpse of the upside that's there.
     
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    Dee needs to start choking up the bat
     
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    I would demote him to minors and use Sellers everyday in 8 spot at SS.
    Gordon can then learn how to...
    hit ground balls and line drives,
    recognize balls and strikes,
    steal bases properly,
    field routine groundballs,
    bunt,
    and eat.

    The National league is NOT the place to learn basics needed for your game to be successful. Especially on a first place team that has hopes for postseason play.
     
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    agreed, instead of choking while at bat
     
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    dee knows what to do
    he is not doing it due to whats in between the ears
    so goind to the minors might help
    but it might also hurt him in that regard
    if i was the manager i would drop him in the order to 7th or 8th
    let him work his problems out with less pressure
    drop in whomever the next best adequate guy to leadoff
    in a few weeks either things will pan out or you can start making plans of what SS to try and get at the deadline before you shelve the dee experiment for this year
     
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    all we have to do is bat either Ellis leadoff and problem solved. donnie needs to stop being afraid to bat AJ leadoff because he's slow. who cares. bat Mark leadoff then. is Mark Ellis slower than Russell Martin? at least Torre would bat Martin leadoff at times

    AJ
    Mark
    Kemp
    Ethier
    Abreu

    all of a sudden a pretty nice 1-5
     
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