Dodgers Interested In Ryan Dempster

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  1. Doughty8

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    You may be correct to some extent but Kasten has been credited with building the Nats and the Braves, I find it hard to believe he had no say whatsoever. You also have to take into account that he was once a GM for 13 years (NBA's Hawks) and has been in baseball for over 17 years overall. You are right though a President does alot of delegating but it's not like this President has no experience in baseball like a Guggenheim guy would have if he had been President.
     
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    The point here is that Ned Colletti is more knowledgeable in player evaluation than Stan Kasten and it's not really close. Ned's career has been scouting talent, Kasten is more on the business side.

    People are sometimes like "Stan should cut Uribe loose", but that's an area Stan has no say in.
     
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    He was traded because we had a 1B named Karros and playing two firstbaseman would open a hole somewhere else. :p
    Konerko should've never been let go is what I was saying. Him being traded from the Reds seems irrelevant to my fantasy world that we kept him from day one until now.
     
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    Given his status at the time as the next big blue thing, that Konerko trade was rather knee-Jerky on Tommy's part but Shaw did save over 100 games for us, IIRC.
     
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    Is the considered going Dempster diving?
     
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    Vin Scully relayed the story on the broadcast on Saturday about the trade.

    During the 1998 season, Tommy Lasorda spent a brief, yet brutal, amount of time as the Dodgers' GM and, during that short time span, he managed to pull off one of the top ten worst trades in Dodger history. On July 5th, 1998 Tommy Lasorda pulled off a deal that sent the Dodgers' top hitting Prospect Paul Konerko, and pitching prospect Dennys Reyes, to the Reds for All-Star closer Jeff Shaw. Lasorda truly believed that acquiring Jeff Shaw would be enough to propel the Dodgers to the top of the pack in the NL West race, and he backed up the trade with the usual "you have to give up something of value to gain something of value" speech, as he stated, "In order to get something in this game, you have to give something up. As much as I love Paul Konerko, I feel that this club needs this relief pitcher desperately. You're talking about the best relief pitcher in baseball, and you ain't gonna get him cheap."
     
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    The Guggenheim guys and Magic specifically asked him to join the group for his baseball expertise, otherwise why is even here. Look I am not completely privy to the front officce operations but he HAS to have input.
     
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    There's a difference between being a good baseball mind and being involved in trades and free agent signings. A huge difference.
     
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    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 18 at 4:32pm CST]
    Teams interested in acquiring starting pitching help surely noticed when the Cubs placed right-hander Ryan Dempster on the disabled list with right lat tightness today. Dempster, 35, is one of the top starters known to be available in trades. Here are today’s links...
     
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    Absolutely correcto. There are things we don't don't talk about much...like Sandy's non-existent wife/ gf, ever. This is the same.
     
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    Early rumor going around that Reed is involved. Pretty unsubstantiated but that would definitely be a horrific trade.
     
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    Gotta give some to get some... Too bad that applies to players like Cole Hamels and CarGo; not players like Ryan Dempster.
     
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    exactly
    Kasten needs to keep a tight leash on Ned
     
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    Kasten is coming into this assuming everybody is doing their job. He's gonna let Ned do his thing. There is no "tight" leash but I hope there is a "short" leash. As in if Ned totally fucks up he's gone.
     
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    Chris Reed was placed on the DL the same time as Dempster. That's probably where the rumor comes from. hopefully it's BS
     
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    I still think Ned's trade history is at least neutral...it's the FA signings that make him an idiot. That's my two cents.
     
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    Yeah, I suppose. Bradley for Ethier was just genius.
     
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    I dont think his trade history is neutral, I mean the Santana deal is one of the worst ever. You kind of understand it based on the context of the playoff push but it's absurdly irresponsible no matter what to throw in a blue chipper for cap relief. But I'm not saying anything we dont already know. I do believe that his history as a GM as a whole is undervalued, and I think we'll be able to see what he's really capable of with a rock solid new ownership group. We'll see though.

    Schmidt, Pierre, Santana, McDonald...inexcusable stupidity. Jones I get. Manny and Ethier were coups. A lot of his lower level FA signings also paid off hugely in comparison to the money spent. I think he's talented, I definitely don't think he's an absolute dolt, and I have tempered hopes for what he can accomplish with Kasten's expertise alongside him.
     
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    I can agree with this too.
     
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    But to me, he gets a year or so to prove he was a product of Mccourt or he's gone. Seems harsh and unfair, but I think he caught a break the team was sold when it was and he is still here because of circumstance.
     

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