DODGERS NEWS/RUMORS/INJURIES Thread

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  1. KOUFAX0000

    KOUFAX0000 DSP Legend Damned

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    Something tells me that unloading the Chinchilla will change the atmosphere in that dugout.

    In a very good way.
     
    KOUFAX0000, Jun 24, 2014
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    Yeah, lets trade the guy who had been one of the best players in the league as little as two years ago and who is finally healthy and hitting the ball better than anyone else in the lineup and build around the wondrous duo of Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier. Sign me up for that....
     
    ColoradoKidWitGame, Jun 24, 2014
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    KOUFAX0000 DSP Legend Damned

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    Kid,

    He will never come close to that juiced influenced season again.

    He plays defense like Stymie now.

    He is not hitting better than anyone else in the lineup.

    Our All Star outfielder will disagree with you.
     
    KOUFAX0000, Jun 24, 2014
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    Agree on the Crawford and Ethier part. Andre and Carl as 2/3 of our outfield. Puke
     
    THINKBLUE, Jun 24, 2014
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    The issue is Dre and Baby daddy have no value. The Chinchilla has some value, interest and an ego that burrows like a cancer.
     
    KOUFAX0000, Jun 24, 2014
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    Since the calendar flipped over to June, yes Kemp has been the best hitter in the lineup, while Puig Gonzo, Ethier have all been AWFUL. Now that he is getting healthy and getting regular playing time, he is starting to hit again. I would love to see him return to the player he was, but it is not going to happen and I understand that. Even after that he still has the potential to be one of the most dangerous LF'ers in the game. I'll take that any day of the week over what the team could potentially get for him in a deal. You also are not in that locker room and have had a vendetta against Kemp for YEARS. You complained and railed against him when he was having that awesome MVP year. You have no proof or knowledge that he is anywhere near close to a clubhouse cancer or a roider. The past coaching staff was a problem for more than just Kemp and he is saying what any young superstar would when his playing time is cut thanks to stupid FO move to keep around 4 high priced OF'ers. Crawford and Ethier, like Kemp have all one way or another complained about not playing everyday and each have a point. Get over your hatred for so many individual players and you will enjoy the game a whole hell of a lot more.
     
    ColoradoKidWitGame, Jun 24, 2014
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    K- You're grossly exaggerating the ego point. Yeah, he wants to play every day. I would hope so. He's taken the "demotion" to LF and moved on. Do you see him still sulking in the dugout? You say trading him will improve the atmosphere in the dugout - I just don't see him bringing it down right now. In fact, he was one of the main celebrants of Kersh's no-hitter.

    Also, you're making an assumption, either seriously or in jest, that he was juicing in '11. Is this opinion based on anything other than the drop-off in production? If not, then you're completely dismissing the possibility that it could be as a result of injuries and surgeries, some that historically take over a year to fully recover from. I look at the numbers he's put up the past month and believe he's firmly on that road to recovery.

    His defense is not his strength, but that's why he's in left now rather than center. His arm is still there, and CF wasn't likely to be his position once Joc comes up, regardless of how he was playing it.

    The one criticism that is warranted is his potential to get hurt - and related to that point - the lazy run home last year that resulted in injury. If someone argues he should be traded while healthy to avoid having to pay him the next time he's on the DL, I'd have a harder time debating that. The other stuff you mention are irrelevant in my opinion.

    Crawford and Ethier for sure would be harder to trade and wouldn't return much value. This is where we need GG's deep pockets to come into play again and cover some or most of the salaries just to move these guys. Paying to do that and bringing up Joc's bat and glove pretty much have the same effect, or potentially better effect, than paying to sign a high-priced star in the offseason and still having Crawford and especially Ethier taking up valuable roster spots. I salivate at the thought of an OF left-to-right of Kemp, Pederson, Puig, with Van Slyke spelling all three - especially since SVS can hit lefties while Joc still struggles there.
     
    lastatman, Jun 24, 2014
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    great discussion fellas
    kemp definitely (and obviously) has the most value, even before he started hitting again
    but you're still not going to get fair return if you deal him now
    imo, trading him now would weaken the team, not strengthen it
    unless someone offers us a ridiculous return (which i don't see happening) you have to hold onto him
    if you're going to get hosed on a deal, at least get rid of some dead/unproductive weight (i.e., crawford/ethier)
    i know you won't get much return, but an outfield quartet of puig/joc/kemp/svs is better than any outfield with crawford and/or ethier
     
    irish, Jun 24, 2014
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    And now Joc has injured his shoulder? Watta fuckin' freakshow this team is....

    Dodgers prospect Pederson injures right shoulder
    By Ken Gurnick | MLB.com -- 6 minutes ago

    KANSAS CITY -- Outfielder Joc Pederson, the Dodgers' No. 2 prospect, left Triple-A Albuquerque's game at Iowa on Tuesday in the first inning with an apparent right shoulder injury.

    Pederson was removed after attempting a diving catch while playing center field in the bottom of the first.

    The 22-year-old Pederson is hitting .319 with 17 homers, 42 RBIs and an OPS of 1.005.

    Ken Gurnick is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.​

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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    great
    i can already hear ned/dbb playing the "fortunately we have a surplus of good outfielders" card
     
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    Plays defense like Stymie now? From the Little Rascals? He was great man. Played for Hal Roach studios and raked and was like Willie out there.
    Actually, I really don't see anybody taking on his contract....Mr. K, all the way; had to go on a hot streak to get to .270?
    And who the fuck would want Crawford or Ethier?
    Not one of these guys batting as the level they should be. In fact, there may be two careers pretty much over in the LAD OF. Or damn near it.
     
    Bluezoo, Jun 24, 2014
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    What you can get in return for a trade is always important, but the #1 priority for a team in contention and with more money than god, is whether or not a trade weakens the current roster.

    So the trade value of Kemp vs Crawford/Ethier is moot. The value of Kemp vs Crawford vs Ethier to the team at this moment is everything - who does Gugenheim see as the weakest link? That's who's on the trade block. If we were out of contention or poor then the picture would be fuzzy, but we aren't either.
     
    BlueMouse, Jun 24, 2014
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    exactly
     
    irish, Jun 24, 2014
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    ^yup, bz posted in the news/rumors/injuries thread
     
    irish, Jun 24, 2014
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    Great stuff, Irish.
    it always amazed me how young they were and pulled off the script and dialog. they were great little actors...how old was Spanky in the clip/ Two maybe?
     
    Bluezoo, Jun 24, 2014
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    Stymie
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    KOUFAX0000, Jun 24, 2014
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    Problem with SVS everyday is just how he has been so terrible against RHP this year. Uribe back this week should help lengthen the lineup a bit. Good for him to make sure he is ready to come back before potentially hurting the team.
     
    ColoradoKidWitGame, Jun 24, 2014
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    Agreed
     
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