You proved no point. You said it's lame to use stats to make a point and then used stats to make your point, which was a worse point And by the way, Mark Ellis has a bWAR of 2.4 this year to follow a year of 2.5 last year, something Kelly Johnson hasn't beaten since 2010, which was only the second time he ever did. Kelly is an average at best defender at 2B, who over full seasons puts up okay OPS numbers to offset this D
Anyways, excited to find out where Alex Guerrero plays in the winter and feels great to be proactive at 2B instead of hoping we can find something for Kendrick. Having Guerrero+Zach Lee is better then having Kendrick. Well, I'm assuming a lot on Guerrero
Mark can also be a backup option at 3B, which could be great. But also, he might be able to land a starting gig at 2B somewhere else
Anybody have comps on other 2bs that get paid like $6-7mil? Just to get an idea what I should benchmark this guy to
It's extremely hard to put comps on this guy cause the way we signed him is so different than most free agents Im that we don't have much data on him, but also we get him in his prime. For example, Puig got 10 mil more than this guy but came at a younger age. If he's true to the scouting report, low OBP but power with good D at 2B than maybe it's a Brandon Phillips, bt maybe his D doesn't play for 2B and maybe he doesn't make enough contact, cause if he was a sure bet for those numbers he'd get more than 32 mil.
More Cubans, please. I wonder if Guerrero is as crazy on the basepaths and the field as Puig is. I can't wait to see what kind of hitter and fielder Guerrero is. This is already something to look forward to next season and this season isn't even over yet. The Dodgers just signed Cano. The next Cano of course. His name is Alexander Guerrero.
I'm thinking that if he can hit .300+ then I don't expect him to be a perfect vacuum cleaner player at 2B If he hits .300+ AND hits 20+ HR's? then fuck it... he can wear any mitt and we'll be happy
The only 2B this year who has hit .300+ with 20+ HRs is Robinson Cano so that would be extremely high expectations to put on him. In fact, the only other 2B to put up 20+ HRs this year is Dan Uggla. If he can give us anywhere anything above a .750 - .800 OPS (based on reports he could get that even with a low OBP, by having a good slugging) or so with some good D, then that's great and valuable for a 6 million dollar 2B
All of which supports our agreement that the kid is a good sign averaging nearly .320 AND 20 HR's for the past 3 years!! (Granted that was not against MLB pitching but it was against international pitching so he's probably seen his share of crazy odd ball pitches.) The money is inconsequential to GG and crew
THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!! Heard on a podcast a few weeks ago that he has gotten into great shape and is now running plus times.
I'd rather have Johnson, no question, but apparently having an opinion here is not possible for me and it is ok for VRP to say what I say is lame, but I can't say what he says is lame without having others intervene. What a joke.
VRP said "Using career stats is lame" and proceeded to NOT use career stats. You said "Using stats are lame" and proceeded to use stats. Huge difference, and I just found it hilarious you were being hypocritical in your own post, VRP wasn't. Having an opinion is fine, being hypocritical is the funny joke to me. People argued against your opinion in a pretty mild mannered way actually, but I mean, how can you not see what you said was pretty bad.
and my opinion is that "arguing with stats is about the only way to argue" After all if my opinion can't be backed up with stats then what I say isn't worth so much... is it? Which is why I was right about Javy Guerra last year. The stats showed that he sucked... public perception just took a while to catch up. I like the tongue in cheek argument style too but as an engineer comfortable with stats I DO have issues with WAR and certain other Saber stats that have arbitrarily inserted empirical factors which cannot and, as of yet, have not ever been defended. This was a great argument last year, maybe with VRP? Or BasedGod? (not sure) about the shortcomings of 'some' Sabermetrics. If they cannot make their stat valid without the insertion of some non-defined absolute spec then the whole equation is bullshit. Look closely at the various metrics used in WAR and see that not every factorial comes from the field of play or from the scorers book. When WAR inserts something like "now multiply the result by .2534 and then..." I ask where in the hell someone pulled .2534 out of his ass. Why not .2536? Or .2444? Or .500? Any stat using an arbitrary quotient like that is highly suspect. Other Sabermetrics, those constrained to the scorers book, are right on the money so I'm not by any means against all of them. Just the ones using kindergarten logic.
I'm hoping that this guy is the 2B of the future. I'm not expecting otherworldly numbers, but if he puts up a plus 800 OPS, then I will be thrilled. Would love to see him replicate his OB numbers as that could push Crawford out of leadoff and really lengthen what would be the NL's most dangerous lineup. The only thing I have heard about with his defense is that he is not going to be able to stay at SS due to quickness, but nothing about his skills beyond that. His glove is very important to a team that has a spotty one at SS and a 1B whose mobility is not going to get better.
Using OPS to compare a guy who played in Dodger Stadium to a guy who played primarily the past few years in Toronto is laughable.
