6:32pm: The outcome of the Padres offer is expected to be known within 24 hours, tweets Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune. 4:20pm: It’s not known which teams remain involved in the bidding, but one involved club was told that a decision is expected soon, tweets Nightengale. 4:07pm: The Padres "badly" want Shields and remain the favorites, but they’re being told that there are other teams still heavily involved in the bidding, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today Sports. Meanwhile, Jim Bowden of ESPN and MLB Network Radio tweets that there’s no "impasse" between the two sides, but rather that Shields simply must decide whether or not to accept San Diego’s "last and final offer." 2:43pm: The Padres and Shields are currently "at an impasse" after several hours of negotiations, tweets Miller. The ball is Shields’ court at this point, he adds. 1:31pm: The Padres are indeed the favorites to sign Shields, "if not a lock already," reports MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro (on Twitter). Frisaro covers another team, the Marlins, who have been linked to Shields throughout the offseason.
unsubstantiated rumors that the pads may have lowballed him perhaps two years with an option again, unconfirmed but if that's the case :friedman::farhan:
... 7:04pm: Shields never rejected a five-year, $110 million offer, tweets Nightengale. While not pertinent to the present situation, it’s an interesting revelation. Earlier in the offseason, it was rumored that such an offer had been extended. When Shields didn’t sign, it was widely assumed the deal was rejected. 6:32pm: The outcome of the Padres offer is expected to be known within 24 hours, tweets Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune.
If they land him, how PETOCA or WTF it is, can see the LAD as the team "with the best offseason", is head scratching...and to think they are not going to be a problem in the NLW, IMO, is cockeyed optimism way over the usual boring degree. Their SR will be nearly as equal ours. If McCarthy and Anderson come through like we hope, no one touches our SR in the division, for sure. But if these two are physically shaky and we have to scuffle with other starters to fill in, they're pretty close. Ryu will loom huge in the mix. And Kemp's O is every bit as good as Puig right now, and the rest of the OF with Upton and Meyers have at least the same HR potential as we do, maybe more. I see Joc as a huge unknown, and he needs a 180 from his time out there last season. I see Agon as the clearest edge in all of it, possibly making the difference at the end. Not to mention a far better manager for the Pads. I think they'll be tough as hell.
With as poor a defense as the Padres will have behind Shields, 2yrs with a team option would make sense since his K numbers are in steady decline. Get him in, get him out.
FEBRUARY8TH, 10:10am: The Cubs are seen as the major outside threat as things appear headed toward a resolution between Shields and the Padres, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. If the Cubs really do want him..they need to beat the Padres out. It'd be a must. They can't let a lowly Padre org beat them out for a guy they desire to have. Cubs have the money..more money than the Padres and are one of the marquee franchises trying to turn it around. They can't lose to a San Diego.
^^^^^^^^^ Rest assured Dodger fans that regardless of runs scored or given up. Regardless of games won and lost we will out WAR the lowly Padres and that's what it's all about. I have learned to drink the
People around baseball think it will wind up somewhere in the $72-$75MM range across four years, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets. The Cubs are still a long shot, according to Bruce Levine of WSCR-AM (on Twitter). Jim Bowden of ESPN.com (on Twitter) expects Shields’ deal to be a four-year deal worth around $72-$80MM.
Sign there already dammit!!!! Hearing the news that he signed in San Diego would hopefully get the FO to get the Moncada thing done sooner than later.
Shame, at that price, that we didn't get him. Could've been an unbelievable #1-4, with him as a #4 starter.
At some point you have to have some young pitchers in the rotation and if you lock up every spot with long term contracts then where is Garret Holmes and Julio Urias' future. Add to that the fact that the FA pitchers next year I believe are way better than him I'm glad we aren't in on him.
They'd end up spending more money just to rid themselves of multiple guys to make room for the young talent..definitely do not wanna create a cycle in that aspect. A shitty business plan to be sure. Just look at the Pads..they're feelin all ecstatic because the Dodgers kicked in money for Kemp and it ultimately helped create financial flexibility for them. Let's just not go helpin everybody. McCarthy's contract will be pretty easy to move if necessary, but a 75-80M contract for an aging arm is tough to move. And to say that you can't even count on the old dude in the post season..you may as well see if a young Urias can handle that stage a couple Octobers from now and provide a spot start or two. The dream is for Cueto to get moved at the deadline and therefore become ineligible for a qualifying offer, so there's no draft compensation attached to him ala Lester this year. Just like the nerds made a run at Lester, if that happens with Cueto we should expect them to make a push for him as well. Tell you what else..Detroit's situation is becoming intriguing because they're battling injuries with their big bats and that division is only gaining ground on them. It wouldn't shock me if Detroit finally fell back this year. I could see them maybe being sellers at the deadline as well..at least in regards to David Price. It'd be nice if Price had no draft comp attached to him next off-season either. Much like the way STL operates, Kasten has a firm grip on our draft picks and its nice knowing that..we can get back to being that baseball factory again. What other 90+ win team boasts multiple top 10 prospects in all the minors? Gotta love it. To add Moncada to that group would be..man, I don't even know if there's a word that'd do it justice. Shit, I hope Ellis is enjoying his time because Austin Barnes is a'comin. Lol
As opposed to McCarthy deal which is for.....ohhh yea, four years. Your argument is false and invalid. Shields is superior to McCarthy and there is no previous indicators of health that are concerning, like there are with McCarthy.
It's not 20 per so easier to eat his salary. 33 years old without a significant arm injury is a a huge RED flag. As for my argument being false or invalid well since we aren't even in on Shields AT ALL I'd say I wasn't alone in my opinion the FO is as well.
In that case or in that perspective, you've already lost. If you're already concerned about a contract before someone has put on the uniform, then there is no point to sign them. Half glass empty all the way.
I'm not alone in that thought of being worried about a 4 year 20+ deal to a 33 year old without an arm injury in this day and age of TJ surgeries. His arm is a ticking time bomb, I'm not making this shit up, I mean his price did drop so somebody is worried.
We'll agree to disagree here because McCarthy's injury history, fluky or not, is WAY worse. Also, I'd take a 1-4 including Sheilds all day over one with McCarthy.
We can do that of course. For the record I wasn't all gung ho about signing McCarthy either. My stance is that if you have too many long term contracts to your entire roster then there is not need to strengthen our farm. Like it or not we are going to be seeing a drastic change in our philosophy for years to come.
